UK Politics Thread - Page 883

Catfish · 12-11-20, 02:35 AM

"Former Australian leaders split on trade relationship with EU"
Australia's Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull warned Britain the Australia-style trade deal might not be the best option

https://www.lbc.co.uk/business/d0b92...a75d268d1d07f/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-terms-brexit/

(Also found this site, seems to list up recent developments with a good overview:
https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/UK/Brexit?search=eu)

Skybird · 12-11-20, 06:21 AM

The eU is EXTREMELY protective when it comes to famring and agriculutral goods, so in these areas the UK must expect bad things and great deal of unfairness. Third world countries wanting to sell such things in Europe can sing a song of this.

Catfish · 12-11-20, 06:39 AM

"Your occasional reminder that an “Australia-style deal” is also a “Sierra Leone-style deal”, a “Guam-style deal”, a “Libya-style deal” or a "Narnia-style deal".

"The reason the Conservative right wing wanted to leave was
in order to free the UK from EU standards on workers’ rights, consumer goods and the environment.
Given that, the only way the EU can give Britain’s exporters access to its market is if there are penalties agreed in advance for divergence from these standards."

I tend to agree to this position. Similar standards also exist in CETA, or the WTO rules.
Worker's rights and a protected environment are not in Rees-Mogg's interests of course.

Jimbuna · 12-11-20, 08:45 AM

Jimbuna · 12-11-20, 08:48 AM

Jimbuna · 12-11-20, 09:32 AM

mapuc · 12-11-20, 11:48 AM

If it couldn't get any worse.

The Norwegian Prime minister has said Norway will block EU from fishing in their waters if there's no deal.

Markus

UglyMowgli · 12-11-20, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

If it couldn't get any worse.

The Norwegian Prime minister has said Norway will block EU from fishing in their waters if there's no deal.

Markus

Norway could ban European AND UK fishing boats from its waters from January 1 as a result of Brexit talk failures - potentially scuppering Britain's first post-EU fisheries agreement.

Catfish · 12-11-20, 12:21 PM

@Mapuc Hasn't the prime minister said he will block Norway's waters for the EU and the UK ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/brit...-idINKBN28L1ZP

"Norway may close access to its fishing waters to European and British vessels from Jan. 1, its fisheries minister said on Friday"

And the reason:

" ... because a trilateral fisheries deal Oslo wants with the European Union and Britain has not been concluded."

Which should not be a big problem for the UK, since they do not have enough trawlers to catch all their own fish anyway.
The biggest problem exists for The Netherlands and France, since they have the big fishing fleet they built because the UK had sold fishing rights to them.
Will those treaties be null and void after brexit?

But also a problem for Denmark of course, I guess they will not want to go as far as Greenland to catch their fish.

Jimbuna · 12-11-20, 12:31 PM

Catfish · 12-11-20, 12:34 PM

^ I do not watch the vids anymore, but the comments are telling.
So the EU is the ENEMY.

Jimbuna · 12-11-20, 12:35 PM

Quote:

MPs will not be awarded a pay rise for the coming year.

The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority - the independent body which sets MPs' pay - said in October that MPs could be in line for a £3,000 pay rise if its usual formula was applied.

But it now says such a rise would "be inconsistent" and "would not reflect the reality that many constituents are facing" because of the pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55278314

My heart bleeds for them.

mapuc · 12-11-20, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Mapuc Hasn't the prime minister said he will block Norway's waters for the EU and the UK ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/brit...-idINKBN28L1ZP

"Norway may close access to its fishing waters to European and British vessels from Jan. 1, its fisheries minister said on Friday"

And the reason:

" ... because a trilateral fisheries deal Oslo wants with the European Union and Britain has not been concluded."

Which should not be a big problem for the UK, since they do not have enough trawlers to catch all their own fish anyway.
The biggest problem exists for The Netherlands and France, since they have the big fishing fleet they built because the UK had sold fishing rights to them.
Will those treaties be null and void after brexit?

But also a problem for Denmark of course, I guess they will not want to go as far as Greenland to catch their fish.

You are right I stand corrected.

Markus

Skybird · 12-11-20, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

"None of this should come as a surprise."

Indeed. What it means is they have to finally understand that both sides' positions simply are incompatible. And always have been.

Reality denial does not change this. Lets finally brexit, and then "barter" trading goods and leave it to that.

Jimbuna · 12-12-20, 08:05 AM

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12-11-20, 06:21 AM	#13232
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,664 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The eU is EXTREMELY protective when it comes to famring and agriculutral goods, so in these areas the UK must expect bad things and great deal of unfairness. Third world countries wanting to sell such things in Europe can sing a song of this. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-11-20, 06:39 AM	#13233
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Your occasional reminder that an “Australia-style deal” is also a “Sierra Leone-style deal”, a “Guam-style deal”, a “Libya-style deal” or a "Narnia-style deal". "The reason the Conservative right wing wanted to leave was in order to free the UK from EU standards on workers’ rights, consumer goods and the environment. Given that, the only way the EU can give Britain’s exporters access to its market is if there are penalties agreed in advance for divergence from these standards." I tend to agree to this position. Similar standards also exist in CETA, or the WTO rules. Worker's rights and a protected environment are not in Rees-Mogg's interests of course. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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12-11-20, 11:48 AM	#13237
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	If it couldn't get any worse. The Norwegian Prime minister has said Norway will block EU from fishing in their waters if there's no deal. Markus

12-11-20, 12:21 PM	#13239
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@Mapuc Hasn't the prime minister said he will block Norway's waters for the EU and the UK ? https://www.reuters.com/article/brit...-idINKBN28L1ZP "Norway may close access to its fishing waters to European and British vessels from Jan. 1, its fisheries minister said on Friday" And the reason: " ... because a trilateral fisheries deal Oslo wants with the European Union and Britain has not been concluded." Which should not be a big problem for the UK, since they do not have enough trawlers to catch all their own fish anyway. The biggest problem exists for The Netherlands and France, since they have the big fishing fleet they built because the UK had sold fishing rights to them. Will those treaties be null and void after brexit? But also a problem for Denmark of course, I guess they will not want to go as far as Greenland to catch their fish. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-11-20, 12:31 PM	#13240
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12-11-20, 12:34 PM	#13241
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ I do not watch the vids anymore, but the comments are telling. So the EU is the ENEMY. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-12-20, 08:05 AM	#13245
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,661 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!