1994: Estnic ferry Estonia sunk after collision with submarine?

[mapuc]

I say lets wait for the upcoming report. The Swedish government has activated the Swedish accident commission. They will send dives down to the wreck take photos and other things.

Another thing I think is important and which I remember from some documentary on Danish tv(I think it was)

"There wasn't exactly any secrets that ship name*/Estonia was used for transporting secrets, industrial and military from east to west and vice versa.

* In this moment I can't remember what the name of the ship before she was renamed to Estonia.

One of the conspiracy I have heard, was that CIA had got their hand on some very important military equipment...so important that KGB did what was necessary.
(this is nothing but a conspiracy)

Markus

[Texas Red]

Currently, I stand in the middle here. Certainly, there would have been quite extensive damage to the sub if it had indeed collided with Estonia. Such a small sub against a big ship won't end well, and it would have surfaced only in the direst circumstances because as Kapitan said, it was too rough for it to be a suitable place to surface because of the weather. Surfacing would only occur after having received *extensive* damage and it could not be fixed. I am pretty sure also that it would have left some tell-tale signature on the boat or the debris in the water, maybe even a part of the submarine is on the seabed. Also, it would be a pretty hard thing to cover-up in the case of debris or eye-witness reports etc.

Then there is the unprofessional act with the Prime Minister of Sweeden and the Russian Ambassador. It certainly does seem a little fishy.

Other than that, I'm not taking a stand here.

[mapuc]

have anyone of you seen these clips from the wreck ?

Have seen it twice-first on Danish tv, later on Swedish.

I know seeing things through a camera may deceive, especially when it's under water and where it's total dark, where things is lighted up with artificiel lights

One of the side of the elongated hole, was bending outwards. while the other side was bending inwards.

It is possible I have seen it wrong

Markus

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by mapuc

have anyone of you seen these clips from the wreck ?

Have seen it twice-first on Danish tv, later on Swedish.

I know seeing things through a camera may deceive, especially when it's under water and where it's total dark, where things is lighted up with artificiel lights

One of the side of the elongated hole, was bending outwards. while the other side was bending inwards.

It is possible I have seen it wrong

Markus

Very strange indeed.

Like we have had enough crazy things happen in 2020...

I'm gonna ask Billy Joel to make a sequel to "We didn't start the Fire" that will be about 2020 only.....


It could be possible that it hit something that had been jostled from the seabed by the rough conditions and float up to the surface and the Estonia runs into it.
But it was bent outwards on one side and inwards on another.
Which means it would have had to be running into it, if I am correct.

My detective skills are lacking so I may be wrong.. haha.

[Dowly]

I don't believe these new claims for a second, stinks of just a new conspiracy theory to me.


The loss of the bow visor explains the sinking and there is both physical evidence and survivor statements to back it up. Four meter gash on the side of the hull at/just above the waterline simply doesn't explain the speed at which the ship listed; around 10 minutes for a 40+ degree list, another 10-15 minutes for a 80+ degree list.


Here's the final report for anyone who wants to read it:
https://onse.fi/estonia/conten.html

[Gerald]

I support this.