Damage

ETR3(SS) · 08-20-20, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

ok...i have been simmering/seething on this damn issue, so i re-loaded the savegame from this mission and began noodling (PB term).

i found that i AM able to view the boat's exterior while underwater. it took some non-intuitive click-and-drag movements, and i doubt that i could repeat it, but i was able to some a couple of pretty good looks at the exterior of the forward section.
as you can see there is no visible damage, unlike the 4 inch deck gun which was also damaged and repaired and is working but droops downward when not in use. i also noticed for the first time what my lookouts who were injured and repaired also droop on a regular cycle.

as you can see, no noticeable damage.

Port side

Starboard side

Results of attempting to fire tubes on each side.

Status of equipment

Can't quite say there's no noticeable damage as I can't see any of the shutter doors port or starboard. The muzzle doors are visible, but they're not linked to the damage zones.

KaleunMarco · 08-21-20, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Can't quite say there's no noticeable damage as I can't see any of the shutter doors port or starboard. The muzzle doors are visible, but they're not linked to the damage zones.

can't quite visualize shutter door vs muzzle door.
i lifted this from a wiki.
i realize that some systems used compressed air to eject the weapon vs water but the general idea is still common to torpedo tube systems.

ETR3(SS) · 08-21-20, 06:50 PM

Shutter doors are a fairing to reduce drag and streamline the hull form when not in the process of launching torpedoes. The round door visible in your screenshot is the muzzle door. My internet is crappy right now so I can't upload a screenshot anywhere. But if you start a new mission and use the external camera you can see the shutter door open before the muzzle door when you order a tube opened.

KaleunMarco · 08-21-20, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Shutter doors are a fairing to reduce drag and streamline the hull form when not in the process of launching torpedoes. The round door visible in your screenshot is the muzzle door. My internet is crappy right now so I can't upload a screenshot anywhere. But if you start a new mission and use the external camera you can see the shutter door open before the muzzle door when you order a tube opened.

so the shutters are the outer doors and the muzzle door are an inner door?

ETR3(SS) · 08-21-20, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

so the shutters are the outer doors and the muzzle door are an inner door?

External to the pressure hull, yes. Reference this USN Manual: https://maritime.org/doc/fleetsub/tubes/chap3.htm

Col7777 · 08-22-20, 02:09 AM

@Marco.

To get the rotation back on the camera, I had that a while ago and asked on here so I found it out myself.

On the stock game go to Data/Library. Scroll down to the Camera file and copy it.
In the game you are playing if you look in the Data/Library you will see the camera file is something like 41 or 42kb, the stock one is 32kb.

Delete the the 42kb file and paste in the 32kb file and all with be well.

This also works in SH3 as well.

Col.

KaleunMarco · 08-22-20, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Col7777

@Marco.

To get the rotation back on the camera, I had that a while ago and asked on here so I found it out myself.

On the stock game go to Data/Library. Scroll down to the Camera file and copy it.
In the game you are playing if you look in the Data/Library you will see the camera file is something like 41 or 42kb, the stock one is 32kb.

Delete the the 42kb file and paste in the 32kb file and all with be well.

This also works in SH3 as well.

Col.

thank you for that but i cannot do that due to other changes in Camera.Dat from the mod-set I am using.

it would be instructive to know which parameters within Camera.dat control the external camera. i have inspected Camera.dat and compared the TMO-version to the Stock-version and i cannot see the big difference in values. therefore, the critical value(s) must be subtle...or somewhere else.

KaleunMarco · 08-22-20, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Can't quite say there's no noticeable damage as I can't see any of the shutter doors port or starboard. The muzzle doors are visible, but they're not linked to the damage zones.

after further review, you are correct: the shutters door condition/performance and the muzzle door condition/performance are linked.
Damaged Boat Exterior. Shutter doors are not visible. Muzzle doors will not move when activated (Q-key).

Repaired Boat in-port. Shutter doors are visible. Muzzle doors move when activated.

now that i know what to look for, i agree with you that either the shutter doors or the muzzle doors were destroyed and took the "other" door with it.
thank you for your help in understanding what SH4 does in this situation!

propbeanie · 08-22-20, 12:22 PM

Now, if there was just a way to have that show on the Damage screen... It would have to be "muzzle door" or "shutter door", but a muzzle door / shutter door combined into an "External Torpedo Tubes Door(s) Damaged"...

KaleunMarco · 08-22-20, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Now, if there was just a way to have that show on the Damage screen... It would have to be "muzzle door" or "shutter door", but a muzzle door / shutter door combined into an "External Torpedo Tubes Door(s) Damaged"...

ok....so what does it take to get a "part" listed on the Damage screen?
clearly, mod can affect it because i have seen the Ice Cream Machine appear and that was not a part in Stock.

ETR3(SS) · 08-23-20, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

ok....so what does it take to get a "part" listed on the Damage screen?
clearly, mod can affect it because i have seen the Ice Cream Machine appear and that was not a part in Stock.

The ice cream machine was in stock, but hidden in a way.

ETR3(SS) · 08-23-20, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Now, if there was just a way to have that show on the Damage screen... It would have to be "muzzle door" or "shutter door", but a muzzle door / shutter door combined into an "External Torpedo Tubes Door(s) Damaged"...

IRL they should be linked together such that opening the muzzle door also opens the shutter door at the same time. I'll fiddle around with the game and see what kind of results I can get from it.

KaleunMarco · 08-23-20, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

IRL they should be linked together such that opening the muzzle door also opens the shutter door at the same time. I'll fiddle around with the game and see what kind of results I can get from it.

sounds great.

do you know how to make a piece equipment appear on the damage screen?

ETR3(SS) · 08-23-20, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

sounds great.

do you know how to make a piece equipment appear on the damage screen?

Yes, I've done it on my nuc sub mods.

KaleunMarco · 08-24-20, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Yes, I've done it on my nuc sub mods.

great.
can you share how you did it here or send me a PM with the instructions?
please.

08-21-20, 06:50 PM	#3
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Shutter doors are a fairing to reduce drag and streamline the hull form when not in the process of launching torpedoes. The round door visible in your screenshot is the muzzle door. My internet is crappy right now so I can't upload a screenshot anywhere. But if you start a new mission and use the external camera you can see the shutter door open before the muzzle door when you order a tube opened. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

08-22-20, 02:09 AM	#6
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	@Marco. To get the rotation back on the camera, I had that a while ago and asked on here so I found it out myself. On the stock game go to Data/Library. Scroll down to the Camera file and copy it. In the game you are playing if you look in the Data/Library you will see the camera file is something like 41 or 42kb, the stock one is 32kb. Delete the the 42kb file and paste in the 32kb file and all with be well. This also works in SH3 as well. Col. __________________ Silent and Violent

08-22-20, 12:22 PM	#9
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,102 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Now, if there was just a way to have that show on the Damage screen... It would have to be "muzzle door" or "shutter door", but a muzzle door / shutter door combined into an "External Torpedo Tubes Door(s) Damaged"... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna