Who will win the 2020 US Presidential Election?

Torvald Von Mansee · 07-23-20, 01:03 PM

The Democrats will win it, but the Republicans will steal it.

August · 07-23-20, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

The Democrats will win it, but the Republicans will steal it.

Whatever you say Comrade.

mapuc · 07-23-20, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Whatever you say Comrade.

I think in a way he could be right.

Biden wins the election with a very little margen...Mr. Trump accept the defeat....until beginning of December where he declare a state of emergency due to...something(maybe corona and the riots)and postpone the change of President in the White House

(Yes I have a very good imagination, I know)

Markus

August · 07-23-20, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I think in a way he could be right.

Biden wins the election with a very little margen...Mr. Trump accept the defeat....until beginning of December where he declare a state of emergency due to...something(maybe corona and the riots)and postpone the change of President in the White House

(Yes I have a very good imagination, I know)

Markus

Well I already explained to you how that can't and won't happen Markus. Once a new president is elected the previous president cannot stop the inauguration. There is no state of emergency or other shenanigan he could pull that would stop the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court from meeting with the incoming president, in secret if need be, to administer the oath and once that happens the reigns of governmental power will pass on to the new guy whether the old one wants it to happen or not.

Mr Quatro · 07-24-20, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I think in a way he could be right.

Biden wins the election with a very little margen...Mr. Trump accept the defeat....until beginning of December where he declare a state of emergency due to...something(maybe corona and the riots)and postpone the change of President in the White House

(Yes I have a very good imagination, I know)

Markus

It's called click bait Markus and very bad rumor spread by anti-Trump people with thousands believing it in order to get them to vote for Biden.

Dirty politics

Platapus · 07-24-20, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

until beginning of December where he declare a state of emergency due to...something(maybe corona and the riots)and postpone the change of President in the White House

(Yes I have a very good imagination, I know)

Markus

Fortunately, the president does not have that authority.

We do not need the outgoing presidents permission or even presence in order to swear in a new president.

Each state has the sole authority to certify that state's electoral votes. The only federal counting occurs in the House of Representatives and it is witnessed by everyone in congress. Kinda tough to challenge that count.

mapuc · 07-24-20, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Fortunately, the president does not have that authority.

We do not need the outgoing presidents permission or even presence in order to swear in a new president.

Each state has the sole authority to certify that state's electoral votes. The only federal counting occurs in the House of Representatives and it is witnessed by everyone in congress. Kinda tough to challenge that count.

In this and in every other cases I trust you more than what our news paper in Denmark and Sweden tells us.

As mentioned in our US-politics thread.

The American sages/Political wise men, are asking them self can he do that ?
Can the President reject/refuse the result from the upcoming Presidential election Nov. 3 and stay in the White House.

But I believe you more.

Markus

Sean C · 07-25-20, 12:56 AM

If, by some fantastic stretch of the imagination, Biden won and Trump tried to remain in office, the riots going on now would look like child's play compared to the chaos that would ensue. Hell, half the country had a literal* mental meltdown when he legitimately won the first election†. And the same people who - before the election - were telling Trump that he must accept the results, were now ... not wanting to accept the results.

"But Hillary won the popular vote!", they cried. Which is true. But that's not how it works. And ever since then, some people have been doing anything and everything to try and nullify the election, change how U.S. presidential elections work and/or get Trump thrown out of office for something ... anything. They just keep throwing allegations at him to see if anything sticks. And nothing has, no matter how much it upsets some people. The only thing it has accomplished seems to be digging up dirt on everyone else.

Of course, Trump [and others] tried to do the exact same thing to Obama by questioning his birthplace‡. The only difference is that no one was screaming at the sky, crying or throwing a tantrum the likes of which you'd expect from a two year old. Either way, it didn't work then, it's not working now and I'd wager it won't work in the future.

What I find ridiculous about all of this is that the President of the United States is not a dictator, king or any other type of absolute ruler. Their ability to ruin this country is severely limited by the checks and balances of the judicial and legislative branches, put in place by the founding fathers at the very inception of this country. And those checks and balances have been exercised plenty of times during Trump's presidency. He's even been impeached. Add to that the fact that the President's time in office is also limited to a maximum of eight years and you can see that, although the President does have a great deal of power and is supposed to be a representative leader of a great nation (stop laughing), they are ultimately a small part of what decides the fate of this nation.

IOW, if you don't like the current President - just wait a little while. The world won't end, we'll eventually have a new President and you will be just fine. What concerns me is all of the people who have been in office for decades, but who are now blaming Trump - who has been in office for less than four years - for all of the country's problems. Think about that.

* By "literal" I mean the [apparently] "old" meaning of "something that actually happened".

† You can argue about this until you're blue in the face, but ... if you are an American, Trump is in fact your President - whether you like it or not.

‡ It has always been my understanding that a child born to a U.S. citizen - no matter where - is automatically a U.S. citizen. (The Constitution is characteristically vague about this.) So, even if Obama was born in Kenya as some allege, AFAIK his mother was a U.S. citizen so it doesn't even matter.

Onkel Neal · 07-25-20, 07:20 AM

My question to any and all Trump supporters: What if Biden wins the election but there's clear evidence that the Democrats cheated, manipulated the system to get that win? Does Trump still step down post-November?

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07-23-20, 01:03 PM	#1
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,675 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	The Democrats will win it, but the Republicans will steal it. __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

07-25-20, 12:56 AM	#8
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 913 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 2	If, by some fantastic stretch of the imagination, Biden won and Trump tried to remain in office, the riots going on now would look like child's play compared to the chaos that would ensue. Hell, half the country had a literal* mental meltdown when he legitimately won the first election†. And the same people who - before the election - were telling Trump that he must accept the results, were now ... not wanting to accept the results. "But Hillary won the popular vote!", they cried. Which is true. But that's not how it works. And ever since then, some people have been doing anything and everything to try and nullify the election, change how U.S. presidential elections work and/or get Trump thrown out of office for something ... anything. They just keep throwing allegations at him to see if anything sticks. And nothing has, no matter how much it upsets some people. The only thing it has accomplished seems to be digging up dirt on everyone else. Of course, Trump [and others] tried to do the exact same thing to Obama by questioning his birthplace‡. The only difference is that no one was screaming at the sky, crying or throwing a tantrum the likes of which you'd expect from a two year old. Either way, it didn't work then, it's not working now and I'd wager it won't work in the future. What I find ridiculous about all of this is that the President of the United States is not a dictator, king or any other type of absolute ruler. Their ability to ruin this country is severely limited by the checks and balances of the judicial and legislative branches, put in place by the founding fathers at the very inception of this country. And those checks and balances have been exercised plenty of times during Trump's presidency. He's even been impeached. Add to that the fact that the President's time in office is also limited to a maximum of eight years and you can see that, although the President does have a great deal of power and is supposed to be a representative leader of a great nation (stop laughing), they are ultimately a small part of what decides the fate of this nation. IOW, if you don't like the current President - just wait a little while. The world won't end, we'll eventually have a new President and you will be just fine. What concerns me is all of the people who have been in office for decades, but who are now blaming Trump - who has been in office for less than four years - for all of the country's problems. Think about that. * By "literal" I mean the [apparently] "old" meaning of "something that actually happened". † You can argue about this until you're blue in the face, but ... if you are an American, Trump is in fact your President - whether you like it or not. ‡ It has always been my understanding that a child born to a U.S. citizen - no matter where - is automatically a U.S. citizen. (The Constitution is characteristically vague about this.) So, even if Obama was born in Kenya as some allege, AFAIK his mother was a U.S. citizen so it doesn't even matter. __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

07-25-20, 07:20 AM	#9
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,293 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	My question to any and all Trump supporters: What if Biden wins the election but there's clear evidence that the Democrats cheated, manipulated the system to get that win? Does Trump still step down post-November?