Neutral Ship Experiment

propbeanie · 07-17-20, 11:06 AM

Col7777 · 07-17-20, 11:38 AM

One of the tings I noticed was when I fired a couple of torpedoes at a ship, the DD's came hunting, I moved off but they stayed in the area looking for a submarine, one was even dropping depth charges.

I was playing as a ship, to them I was on their side.
Made me think this could make a good spy mission, you could go anywhere and never be attacked.

Col.

Col7777 · 07-18-20, 05:30 AM

I should have said, it isn't just the Roster you need to change the name of but in the UPC file change the country as well.

Col.

propbeanie · 07-18-20, 09:56 AM

Yes, if you are dealing with a ship that you play... So Sweden is doing black ops in the Pacific now, eh?... "Sink 'em all!", as some famous person said!

btw, when you sink a "friendly", you become "enemy" for a period of time, but since you are "neutral", it is confusing the AI, which is why they are acting somewhat strangely - or should I say, "more strangely than normal"?? Anyway, the game's AI is not familiar with ship-borne torpedoes either, which is why in mods like FotRSU with the AI ships with torpedoes they miss so often. Their "targeting" is based upon a gun. Same with the response for the AI escorts, in that a torpedo has to come from a sub... So the thing to do, is use torpedoes exclusively, and alter you torpedo bunker to hold a couple of hundred, then you can clear the seas with impunity...

Col7777 · 07-18-20, 12:37 PM

Ha Ha yes, I did play with one ship I forget now and I ran out of torpedoes lol.
I went on the deck gun, managed to sink a couple more but my aim is terrible, having said that they never retaliated to me firing at them.

I also got messages to say I just sank a neutral.

Col.

propbeanie · 07-18-20, 08:44 PM

In Destroyer Command, you had a targeting system not too dissimilar from the torpedo set-up, which I liked. Made shooting a lot easier. Still didn't help me much though...

- when I played online, my system and internet connection were so slow (how slow were they!), I would often be "dead" before the screen would load to start...

Col7777 · 07-19-20, 01:43 AM

Yes I used to play Destroyer Command, I liked it to be honest.

I remember having a flag ship then you could set different formations for your escorts.
I never played online, in those days my internet couldn't handle it either lol.
There was one guy did a mod for SH2 that was very good, but a lot of people had trouble downloading it because of slow internet and in some cases it cut off if the download was too big.

Funny thing about Destroyer Command it was very stable compared to SH2, at least in my case anyway, used to get those Janus errors with SH2.

Going back to targeting, in SH4 when using a ship as you may know when you get the popup asking if you want to attack, the ship will use the guns and aim and fire long distances and in most cases sink the enemy, I have switched to the external camera and watched the action, can be fun.

Col.

07-17-20, 11:06 AM	#1
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,109 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	__________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

07-17-20, 11:38 AM	#2
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	One of the tings I noticed was when I fired a couple of torpedoes at a ship, the DD's came hunting, I moved off but they stayed in the area looking for a submarine, one was even dropping depth charges. I was playing as a ship, to them I was on their side. Made me think this could make a good spy mission, you could go anywhere and never be attacked. Col. __________________ Silent and Violent

07-18-20, 05:30 AM	#3
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	I should have said, it isn't just the Roster you need to change the name of but in the UPC file change the country as well. Col. __________________ Silent and Violent

07-18-20, 09:56 AM	#4
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,109 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Yes, if you are dealing with a ship that you play... So Sweden is doing black ops in the Pacific now, eh?... "Sink 'em all!", as some famous person said! btw, when you sink a "friendly", you become "enemy" for a period of time, but since you are "neutral", it is confusing the AI, which is why they are acting somewhat strangely - or should I say, "more strangely than normal"?? Anyway, the game's AI is not familiar with ship-borne torpedoes either, which is why in mods like FotRSU with the AI ships with torpedoes they miss so often. Their "targeting" is based upon a gun. Same with the response for the AI escorts, in that a torpedo has to come from a sub... So the thing to do, is use torpedoes exclusively, and alter you torpedo bunker to hold a couple of hundred, then you can clear the seas with impunity... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

07-18-20, 12:37 PM	#5
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	Ha Ha yes, I did play with one ship I forget now and I ran out of torpedoes lol. I went on the deck gun, managed to sink a couple more but my aim is terrible, having said that they never retaliated to me firing at them. I also got messages to say I just sank a neutral. Col. __________________ Silent and Violent

07-18-20, 08:44 PM	#6
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,109 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	In Destroyer Command, you had a targeting system not too dissimilar from the torpedo set-up, which I liked. Made shooting a lot easier. Still didn't help me much though... - when I played online, my system and internet connection were so slow (how slow were they!), I would often be "dead" before the screen would load to start... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

07-19-20, 01:43 AM	#7
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	Yes I used to play Destroyer Command, I liked it to be honest. I remember having a flag ship then you could set different formations for your escorts. I never played online, in those days my internet couldn't handle it either lol. There was one guy did a mod for SH2 that was very good, but a lot of people had trouble downloading it because of slow internet and in some cases it cut off if the download was too big. Funny thing about Destroyer Command it was very stable compared to SH2, at least in my case anyway, used to get those Janus errors with SH2. Going back to targeting, in SH4 when using a ship as you may know when you get the popup asking if you want to attack, the ship will use the guns and aim and fire long distances and in most cases sink the enemy, I have switched to the external camera and watched the action, can be fun. Col. __________________ Silent and Violent