SH3 Gen Intelligence Report

robj250 · 06-15-06, 07:08 PM

Well, I was given the most strangest report. Here are the "Standing Orders for all U-boats"
Procedure against escorts: On dark nights, when the escorts see the boat only at close range, the CO should attempt to evade approaching them. They have set course from a radar contact, which ceases to function at short range.
If the boat evades at high speed & at right angles to the approach course, the escort will probably fail to maintain radar contact. Whenever possible the U-boat should head out to sea, as this will complicate the escort’s radar and lookout.
If the escort opens fire, the result will often be ineffective, as the U-boat will not be visible. In such cases an attempt must be made to evade on the surface, for once the U-boat is forced under it will never succeed in catching up to the convoy.
U-boats must try to remain on the surface in the presence of escorts as long as possible & must try to avoid being forced under water. They should try to escape on the surface from corvettes, over which they usually have the advantage in speed.
Enemy procedure at dawn and dusk, is to send escorts out from the convoy in order to force as many U-boats as possible to remain submerged & deny them the ability to observe & plot the new heading of the convoy.
Escort aircraft encountered, particularly before dusk, should be engaged with AA guns, so as not to lose the chance of a night attack on the convoy. U-boats should only dive if they can reach at least 80 metres before the aircraft engages with weapons.
In all doubtful cases they should remain on the surface and fight it out. The crews should be taught to do this and the danger of being bombed at shallow depth must be explained.
Enemy information on the position of U-boats has enabled him to organize effective diversion of convoy traffic. The frequent appearance of ‘radio-located’ in British reports complicates finding convoys by means of patrol lines.
With the object of taking every means of concealing patrol lanes from the convoys, as soon as enemy airborne radar has been identified, all U-boats are at once to dive for 30 minutes. Signed F.O.U-boats.
I find this most confusing. Has anyone else who uses SH3 Gen for Intelligence reports ever get this type of order? If so, did you understand exactly what it means?
It is March 1943 and my patrol grid is in the Azores.

VonHelsching · 06-15-06, 11:33 PM

Professor, I don't think it has to do with the game per se, ie you don't have to follow those orders. It's just a reproduction of the historical orders given to u-boats at the same time frame you're playing now.

In real life u-boats were less visible than what can be modelled in the game. Real u-boats used to even go between convoy lanes and still remain undetected in favorable weather conditions. In Silent Hunter III you cannot do this (maybe unless you have heavy fog; but then you cannot see a thing too).

So I would avoid the surface when escorts are close.

robj250 · 06-16-06, 06:53 AM

Thanks very much. I just wondered, 'cause it seemed sorta strange. "Professor"

irish1958 · 06-16-06, 07:53 AM

This is just one of the great features of SHIII Gen. I think it add a lot of immersion to the game. I like anything that makes you think; my reaction time is so slow it takes me a while. In fighter sims I'm usually shot down before I can react. In sub sims, I usually have a chance.
irish1958

robj250 · 06-16-06, 08:45 AM

Same here. My reaction time is kinda slow. I had a Star Trek game (5 CDs) and I was never any good at that. Always got shot down by the enemy. But SH3 is more my style of sim.

VonHelsching · 06-16-06, 08:47 AM

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Thanks very much. I just wondered, 'cause it seemed sorta strange. "Professor"

Didn't you say that you're a law professor, or am I confusing you with someone else?

robj250 · 06-16-06, 09:18 AM

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Thanks very much. I just wondered, 'cause it seemed sorta strange. "Professor"

Didn't you say that you're a law professor, or am I confusing you with someone else?

Yes I was, although it was back in the 1980-90s in Ontario. But that doesn't mean I remember all that stuff now because a lot has changed since then in the criminal law. Actually it was I was a professor in the category of Law Enforcement. I not only taught the law (as it was at that time) but I also taught my students defensive firearms and defensive law enforcement. It was a time of real enjoyment for me and I actually miss it. But even then I found time to play Aces of the Deep Command and Silent Hunter Commander Edition. I have always played sub sims. I had a web site then. Don't know whether I'll put the web site back up or not. Neal has asked me too do so. I can hardly wait until SHIV is released in December.

irish1958 · 06-16-06, 09:37 AM

?December??
More like December07
irish1958

VonHelsching · 06-16-06, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by VonHelsching

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Originally Posted by robj250

Thanks very much. I just wondered, 'cause it seemed sorta strange. "Professor"

Didn't you say that you're a law professor, or am I confusing you with someone else?

Yes I was, although it was back in the 1980-90s in Ontario. But that doesn't mean I remember all that stuff now because a lot has changed since then in the criminal law. Actually it was I was a professor in the category of Law Enforcement. I not only taught the law (as it was at that time) but I also taught my students defensive firearms and defensive law enforcement. It was a time of real enjoyment for me and I actually miss it. But even then I found time to play Aces of the Deep Command and Silent Hunter Commander Edition. I have always played sub sims. I had a web site then. Don't know whether I'll put the web site back up or not. Neal has asked me too do so. I can hardly wait until SHIV is released in December.

Out of respect, a professor is always a professor, even if retired. Count me in as a visitor to your website, Robert.

I have the impression though that SHIV will take a little mit more than December. I mean take a look at how this game stays alive and new people are joining in, like yourself a year after the game was released. It is the first time I am part of any gaming / modding community and it's great.

Sink'em all !

06-15-06, 07:08 PM	#1
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	SH3 Gen Intelligence Report Well, I was given the most strangest report. Here are the "Standing Orders for all U-boats" Procedure against escorts: On dark nights, when the escorts see the boat only at close range, the CO should attempt to evade approaching them. They have set course from a radar contact, which ceases to function at short range. If the boat evades at high speed & at right angles to the approach course, the escort will probably fail to maintain radar contact. Whenever possible the U-boat should head out to sea, as this will complicate the escort’s radar and lookout. If the escort opens fire, the result will often be ineffective, as the U-boat will not be visible. In such cases an attempt must be made to evade on the surface, for once the U-boat is forced under it will never succeed in catching up to the convoy. U-boats must try to remain on the surface in the presence of escorts as long as possible & must try to avoid being forced under water. They should try to escape on the surface from corvettes, over which they usually have the advantage in speed. Enemy procedure at dawn and dusk, is to send escorts out from the convoy in order to force as many U-boats as possible to remain submerged & deny them the ability to observe & plot the new heading of the convoy. Escort aircraft encountered, particularly before dusk, should be engaged with AA guns, so as not to lose the chance of a night attack on the convoy. U-boats should only dive if they can reach at least 80 metres before the aircraft engages with weapons. In all doubtful cases they should remain on the surface and fight it out. The crews should be taught to do this and the danger of being bombed at shallow depth must be explained. Enemy information on the position of U-boats has enabled him to organize effective diversion of convoy traffic. The frequent appearance of ‘radio-located’ in British reports complicates finding convoys by means of patrol lines. With the object of taking every means of concealing patrol lanes from the convoys, as soon as enemy airborne radar has been identified, all U-boats are at once to dive for 30 minutes. Signed F.O.U-boats. I find this most confusing. Has anyone else who uses SH3 Gen for Intelligence reports ever get this type of order? If so, did you understand exactly what it means? It is March 1943 and my patrol grid is in the Azores. Last edited by robj250; 06-15-06 at 07:28 PM.

06-15-06, 11:33 PM	#2
VonHelsching Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,025 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Professor, I don't think it has to do with the game per se, ie you don't have to follow those orders. It's just a reproduction of the historical orders given to u-boats at the same time frame you're playing now. In real life u-boats were less visible than what can be modelled in the game. Real u-boats used to even go between convoy lanes and still remain undetected in favorable weather conditions. In Silent Hunter III you cannot do this (maybe unless you have heavy fog; but then you cannot see a thing too). So I would avoid the surface when escorts are close. __________________

06-16-06, 07:53 AM	#4
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Shiiigen This is just one of the great features of SHIII Gen. I think it add a lot of immersion to the game. I like anything that makes you think; my reaction time is so slow it takes me a while. In fighter sims I'm usually shot down before I can react. In sub sims, I usually have a chance. irish1958

06-16-06, 09:37 AM	#8
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Shiv ?December?? More like December07 irish1958

06-16-06, 06:53 AM	#3
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Thanks very much. I just wondered, 'cause it seemed sorta strange. "Professor"

06-16-06, 08:45 AM	#5
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Same here. My reaction time is kinda slow. I had a Star Trek game (5 CDs) and I was never any good at that. Always got shot down by the enemy. But SH3 is more my style of sim.