Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

^^ Then it's up to the American voters to demand a change.

People who live outside can not demand such a thing.

Hope is what these people can hope for.

Markus

Voting is what has brought these corrosive things over the parties. They did not ran coups, you know. They made voters voting for those now running the parties.

You are right if you want to imply that the voters are those who are in the end responsble for it. Thats why I do not accept voting beign claimed just to be a legal right. Its also something for which the voter has to be held accountable for.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Voting is what has brought these corrosive things over the parties.



You are right if you want to imply that the voters are those who are in the end responsble for it. Thats why I do not accept voting beign claimed just to be a legal right. Its also something for which the voter has to be held accountable for.

Since some decades back I have had this standpoint

A voter is responsible for the action they make in the voting booth.

Markus

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Wrong again vienna ... Check your facts before someone overseas believes you

No fear gas was used ... Just smoke canisters

Check your facts again before you make a further embarrassment...

There was tear gas used along with smoke canisters; persons who were on the receiving end of the gas/smoke have stated it was not just smoke alone since they suffered from the classic effects of tear gas, including a clergy member at St John's who was on the church property in a garden alongside the church itself and she confirmed the presence of tear gas. The only major news organization I could find making the smoke canister claim is Fox News, who have a vested interest in defending Trump, and even their report gives no definitive evidence or cite for the 'smoke only' claim; in fact, Fox News refers to only 'it has been reported' without any actual source or reference for their claim(s)...

Speaking of cites and references, I do notice how very often you make claims or cite 'reports' and/or individuals, sometimes even making note of quotes without any link to the source of your cite; I've called you out on some of these 'facts' a couple of times, including one time where you took the effort to contact me via PM regarding a Bible quote you made on the forum that I questioned as even being in the Scriptures; you tried to give me a vague reference, which, when I tried to check it out, was still unable to find any such sort of Biblical source; I did, however find an virtually identical 'quote' from a evangelical website that was critical of a televangelist who apparently tried to foist off the quote as authentic; when I PM'd you with what I had found and asked if you had any actual other sourcing, I heard no response at all; that was the last I heard from you on the subject, so I gather you had/have no source for what appears to be a fake quote...

One thing I do respect, I would venture to guess I am not alone, are posts, and the people who make the posts, that offer confirmable cite and/or links to substantiate their arguments; I may not agree with the argument being made, but I am open to be informed and/or corrected as the matter may warrant...



BTW, out of that entire post of mine, the only thing you could find to dispute was gas/smoke canisters? Interesting you couldn't find something else worth disputing...









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[iambecomelife]

Not too keen on the politics of all this; I'm just gonna break in to say, please spare a thought for those of us who are living through this right now. I'm close enough to the fighting in my city to literally hear it, and we're subject to a curfew. Fortunately there has been no fighting on my city block. Two people were beaten to near death along the route I used to walk to work - including a man in a wheelchair. I hope those scum are proud of themselves [sarc].

Looters have destroyed stores about a mile from my home AND in my old neighborhood from when I lived on the East coast. I made a run for groceries a couple days ago and felt a true sense of fear (and I'm a pretty big guy). I got home safely, unlike some other people.

At this point I'm sick of both the police brutality+racism and the rioters who are using the situation to prey on innocent businesses/residents. If your politics make beating up a guy in a wheelchair seem like a righteous, rational act then I'm afraid I can't agree with you. Whether you're pro-Anti Trump/Republican/Democrat/Socialist/Libertarian/whatever.

[MaDef]

What about his supporters, where do they stand in this ?

critiquing photo ops isn't on my list of things to think/worry about. I'm wondering when the authorities are going to grow a pair and stop the looting and arsons, and the resultant fallout when they decide enough is enough. those idiots aren't going to get bored and just go away.

[August]

People who are more angry about Trump holding a bible in front of a church than the savages who firebombed it are part of the problem.

[skidman]

Hm. I'm not angry. Your country is becoming a volcano. It could very easily break apart. And the only thing the idiot you put in the Oval Office does about it is posing in front of a church with a bible.

Try to be honest for 10 seconds: Does this worry you and what could be done in order to improve the situation?

[August]

Originally Posted by skidman

Hm. I'm not angry. Your country is becoming a volcano. It could very easily break apart. And the only thing the idiot you put in the Oval Office does about it is posing in front of a church with a bible.

Try to be honest for 10 seconds: Does this worry you and what could be done in order to improve the situation?

"Try and be honest"? What an arrogant thing to say. Try again if you actually want an answer.

[Reece]

+1 to that August!

[Rockstar]

I dont know gents. Some are still reeling from 2008, now COVID, the shutting down of our economy and confinement causing immense stress, job loss, homelessness etc etc. Coupled with what that police officer did. I would say it certainly has shaken the very foundation. Will we recover? I think so, not going to be easy but I think we will and I think change how our police are trained and accepted into academies will come about because of it. At least I hope so.

On a side note, the intel I been reading Euroes may want to buckle up for a bumpy ride too. Me thinks there is a very good chance civil unrest may be arising AGAIN in your own back yard.

[vienna]

Looks like there's gonna be yet another "Help Wanted - Secretary Of Defense" sign up in the Oval Office:


Esper on Trump church photo-op: I thought we were going to 'talk to the troops' --

In an exclusive interview, Esper also said he had "no idea" about the plan to use force to disperse protesters ahead of Trump's staged visit to St. John's Episcopal Church.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...r-gen-n1222391



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Originally Posted by Rockstar

I dont know gents. Some are still reeling from 2008, now COVID, the shutting down of our economy and confinement causing immense stress, job loss, homelessness etc etc. Coupled with what that police officer did. I would say it certainly has shaken the very foundation. Will we recover? I think so, not going to be easy but I think we will and I think change how our police are trained and accepted into academies will come about because of it. At least I hope so.

On a side note, the intel I been reading Euroes may want to buckle up for a bumpy ride too. Me thinks there is a very good chance civil unrest may be arising AGAIN in your own back yard.

I'm also sure we'll get through this all; we survived the unrest of the 60s-70s, the political failure at the highest level of government (including criminality in the Oval Office), a few severe economic downturns, any number of "Oh No!! We're all gonna die!!" perceived doomsdays, any various all and sundry form of mini catastrophes, and we're still here, older and, hopefully, at least a little bit wiser. In the near 70 years of my life, there have been an awful lot of experiences and I've always thought we'd pull through, perhaps not as 'business as usual', but more like 'well, that was a learning opportunity'...

This, too, shall pass; what's really important is what we take away from the experience...


...as for the black hole that is Trump and his minions, it/they too shall pass, much like a kidney stone or major colonic blockage...






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[vienna]

I wonder if Secretary Of Defense Mark Esper may have read this letter before he gave that interview distancing himself from Trump's photo-op debacle:


Former Defense official resigns from Pentagon post, slams Esper for role in Trump photo op --

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/jame...ump-photo.html

Miller, a former undersecretary of defense for policy, cited Secretary of Defense Mark Esper’s participation in President Donald Trump’s Monday night photo op in front of St. John’s Church.

The resignation comes as the nation braced for its eighth night of protests sparked by the police killing of George Floyd.


When I joined the Board in early 2014, after leaving government service as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, I again swore an oath of office, one familiar to you, that includes the commitment to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States . . . and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”

You recited that same oath on July 23, 2019, when you were sworn in as Secretary of Defense. On Monday, June 1, 2020, I believe that you violated that oath. Law-abiding protesters just outside the White House were dispersed using tear gas and rubber bullets — not for the sake of safety, but to clear a path for a presidential photo op. You then accompanied President Trump in walking from the White House to St. John’s Episcopal Church for that photo.

President Trump’s actions Monday night violated his oath to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” as well as the First Amendment “right of the people peaceably to assemble.” You may not have been able to stop President Trump from directing this appalling use of force, but you could have chosen to oppose it. Instead, you visibly supported it.
Anyone who takes the oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line: What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper, you have served honorably for many years, in active and reserve military duty, as Secretary of the Army, and now as Secretary of Defense. You must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask: If last night’s blatant violations do not cross the line for you, what will?


Miller ended the letter by saying, “I wish you the best, in very difficult times. The sanctity of the U.S. Constitution, and the lives of Americans, may depend on your choices.”

Amen, Mr. Miller...





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[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Wrong again vienna ... Check your facts before someone overseas believes you

No fear gas was used ... Just smoke canisters

You are right: facts should be checked before someone overseas believes you, Mr Quatro...




US Park Police denies using tear gas on peaceful protesters. Evidence suggests otherwise. --

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/2/2127855...st-park-police


Fox News is catching all sorts of hell over their reportage of Trump's photo-op; they even went so far as to delete critical comments from viewers on their website postings; however, someone at Fox seems to have forgot to shut down the comments section and not only did the criticism continue, there was even more over the deletion of the previous comments and the seeming ineptness at not shutting down the comments section to prevent more...

I guess there really is a very valid reason they felt the need to dump their "Fair And Balanced" motto a few years back...

...also note I've included a link...






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[vienna]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

I bet the page regarding adultery has been removed from that megalomaniac's ''good book''

Say, Aktungbby, you don't happen to be moonlighting as a writer for Stephen Colbert...?...





I think you might have a case for copyright infringement...






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[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by vienna

Check your facts again before you make a further embarrassment...

There was tear gas used along with smoke canisters; persons who were on the receiving end of the gas/smoke have stated it was not just smoke alone since they suffered from the classic effects of tear gas, including a clergy member at St John's who was on the church property in a garden alongside the church itself and she confirmed the presence of tear gas. The only major news organization I could find making the smoke canister claim is Fox News, who have a vested interest in defending Trump, and even their report gives no definitive evidence or cite for the 'smoke only' claim; in fact, Fox News refers to only 'it has been reported' without any actual source or reference for their claim(s)...

Speaking of cites and references, I do notice how very often you make claims or cite 'reports' and/or individuals, sometimes even making note of quotes without any link to the source of your cite; I've called you out on some of these 'facts' a couple of times, including one time where you took the effort to contact me via PM regarding a Bible quote you made on the forum that I questioned as even being in the Scriptures; you tried to give me a vague reference, which, when I tried to check it out, was still unable to find any such sort of Biblical source; I did, however find an virtually identical 'quote' from a evangelical website that was critical of a televangelist who apparently tried to foist off the quote as authentic; when I PM'd you with what I had found and asked if you had any actual other sourcing, I heard no response at all; that was the last I heard from you on the subject, so I gather you had/have no source for what appears to be a fake quote...

One thing I do respect, I would venture to guess I am not alone, are posts, and the people who make the posts, that offer confirmable cite and/or links to substantiate their arguments; I may not agree with the argument being made, but I am open to be informed and/or corrected as the matter may warrant...

BTW, out of that entire post of mine, the only thing you could find to dispute was gas/smoke canisters? Interesting you couldn't find something else worth disputing...

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My my vienna has teeth to fight back with

At least I got you to read your bible (online that is)

I will turn the other cheek and post the truth:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachels.../#1e1c62f21b69


KEY FACTS

A Trump campaign spokesman asked media outlets, including Forbes, to retract stories stating that tear gas was used to clear a group of protesters so President Donald Trump could participate in a photo-op in front of a church Monday.

The spokesman pointed to a statement from the U.S. Parks Police, which said officers did not use tear gas and instead deployed “smoke canisters and pepper balls” on a group of “combative” protesters after they “continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons.”

According to a fact sheet from the CDC, “tear gas” can be used as an umbrella term for various non-lethal riot control agents, including pepper spray.

Today's bible study is seed thought to end these riots in NA

‘Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s'. 2 Chronicles 19:15