There goes Hong Kong

[Onkel Neal]

My simplistic (as usual) solution: all we need to do is stop trade with China cold. No more Chinese goods coming in to the country, period. Start off with federal guarantees that new companies investing in American/Canadian factories will have market subsidies and be shielded from foreign competition for 4 years. If we switch our economy over to producing the goods needed for public consumption, China will be back to a third world country.

[Catfish]

^ i guess what Skybird and Neal propose is already too late, they build their own processors and smartphones, and are in a lot of ways ahead of "the west". Sure, in capitalism they need to sell their stuff, on the other hand do they? A communist dictatorship like that? Maybe they come up with another solution..

The least thing we can do is producing own medicine and other important basic stuff, this imho includes an entirely "western" 5G network. And tighten the srews of getting our technology robbed and copied.. they have copied a whole VW car factory without the company's knowledge, and it works.

[Skybird]

Yes, I see it like Neal a bit. But the Germans with their extreme export orientation and very heavy investments in China will not do it, even less so since Covid 19 has worked as a catalyst to bring to light the inherent weakness of the German eocnomy: that Germany always consdered its export-driven model a strength while in fatc this dependecny is a wekaness and vulnerability. Germany also hate-kills its key industry: cars, first prefering electrification, then crashing the Diese,l then demonising all gasoline driven cars in general. And all the entrepreneurs who spend mone yin China to help them getting knbpoweldge transferred to them sdo that the ybecome competetive, will demand that these investements are not ust written off. Whcih woudl again be a damage to the tx payer, too.

Catfish also is right. The Chinese in many areas are no longer just second or third grade quality producers. In computers, but also othe rbranches, they set the trends, they rival for the top ranks in yearly innovations in tehcnoloigy in general, in medicine. Catfish points at something correct: China doe sno longer benefit from innovaitons made by foreign nations/eocnomies, but it drives innovations. And once again the Us is better suited to confront this, if it wants, than the EU states. Its universities and its technological corproations loike Amazon, FV, Goodle, Apple etc, are maybe capable to face confrontation with chinese and even rigged competetion: what ahs Europe here? SAP maybe, but then nothing, and the certain "Excellence" universities are internationally - sorry, more or less irrelevant.

The only otpion the Eu states seem to have is: making big-mouthed words and appealing to the Chinese not being so compettiotve. I know how this will end.

And I did not even mention to compare European and American banks. Look at the list of the biggest 100 baks in the world, and then you know what role the Europeans play in this sector: none you want to base your fate on. Plus the Euro collapsing in slo-mo.

Maybe some Europeans know what should be done. Its just that the EU now is so dependent and weak that it cannot do them. Look at the big wonderplan Super-Uschi has unveiled, 750 billion Euros for post-Corona rebuilding. Its just thatthat the EU'S share of that, 250 bn, bases on tax schemes that do not even exist and that are so quastionable that legal experts and economy experts doubt that they ever could be turne dinto reality, and that they would work as planned.

Chaising phantoms once again.

If the Chinese have to fear one thing, than it is the Americans. The Europeans are not only harmless in will, but also impotent by ability: financially, economically, culturally, educationally, and militarily anyway.

The French lost their Napoleonic grandesse. The Dutch lost their trading empire. The Brits loost their empire. The Italians lost their glorious Roman past. The Greek their ancient heritage. The Spanish thei rEuropoean dominance and South America. The Germans lost two big wars. And now it is the EU loosing its claim for relevancy. Europe, after three millenia of dramatic and fantastic history, is exhausted, is old, tired, and weak. Play again in some centuries maybe, if the human world still lasts that long. But not in the coming spans of generations. And befiore it gets there, it must survive the Chinese and the Islamic challenge. Both will last for centuries.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

My simplistic (as usual) solution: all we need to do is stop trade with China cold. No more Chinese goods coming in to the country, period. Start off with federal guarantees that new companies investing in American/Canadian factories will have market subsidies and be shielded from foreign competition for 4 years. If we switch our economy over to producing the goods needed for public consumption, China will be back to a third world country.

Quite possibly but there are too many greedy business folk in the west who are always looking to maximise profits by buying from the cheapest source.

Only government legislation would have a chance of overcoming that.

[mapuc]

I guess a majority of the people in Hong Kong are hoping the west will help them.

It's China...any help is out of the question...some diplomatically pressure may come..up to a certain level.

Markus

[em2nought]

Hong Kong, Taiwan, and a return to the status quo are probably what was promised to the Chinese by the democrats in exchange for releasing the virus in order to take down Orange Man Bad. They might be jumping the gun a bit because I'm not sure they're gonna take the guy down, although those mail in ballots are distressing in a stolen election sort of way.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Hong Kong, Taiwan, and a return to the status quo are probably what was promised to the Chinese by the democrats

Geht's noch...?

Psychologists call that a projection.

If there was a precedence for acting like you imply, then it were the Republicans versus Jimmy Carter, with the Republican side making a deal with Teheran to delay the hostage release until Reagan had won and Carter could not benefit from the release anymore.



https://consortiumnews.com/the-new-o...rprise-series/


The author is no unknown name to me, he was not some dubious backroom writer, but a highly prolific investigative journalist who came to fame with his role in the Iran contra affair.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_(journalist)



Of course, uncritical worshippers of Reagan and Republicanism absolutely dispise him.

[Mr Quatro]

I am bad
After you watch this you will never forget it or be the same again

What are the odds of a 90 year old woman just makin this stuff up?

What are the chances of the country she is talking about is Hong Kong?

Another prophet Dimitri Dudman prophesied more than once that America
would go to war with China and then WWIII would start with Russia sneak
attacking the USA to protect China.

[mapuc]

Trying to understand the step UK have taken by offer 300,000 of the citizens i HK a citizenship in UK.

HK is not under UK leadership anymore or is it ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Geht's noch...?
Psychologists call that a projection. [...]

I would be less polite, but i have stopped answering or commenting to certain posts
Popcorn reserves are in danger though ..

[Jimbuna]

China is facing mounting criticism over a planned security law for Hong Kong which would make it a crime to undermine Beijing's authority in the territory.

The UK and US said at a private session of the UN Security Council that the law would curtail the city's freedoms.

China, which blocked a formal meeting, warned them to "stop interfering".

Hong Kong's autonomy is guaranteed by the 1997 agreement under which it was returned to China from the UK.

It enjoys some freedoms - of the press and association - unseen in mainland China.

But there are fears the proposed law - which has sparked a wave of anti-mainland protests - could end Hong Kong's unique status.

This week, Britain said that if China went forward with the law, it could offer British National (Overseas) passport holders a path to UK citizenship.

There are 350,000 BNO passport holders in Hong Kong who currently have the right to visit the UK for up to six months without a visa.

On Friday, the UK Home Office confirmed the new rights could be given to up to three million people with BNO status - as long as they applied for and were granted a passport.

China says all BNO passport holders are Chinese nationals, and if the UK changes this practice, it would violate international law.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asi...eporting-story