The future of europe?/Islam threads (Merged)

[scandium]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You evade and distract. Not wanting to answer a question that you cannot answer in a way that pleases your previously stated opinion, you declare it to be "not relevant".

That Islam is historically acting in correspondence with it's founder's intention and commandments, whereas socalled "Christians" (or should I say "Churchianists"?) do not, is not relevant. And that violance in Jesus teachings is not allowed and accepted (and never was practiced neither by Jesus, nor by anyone who seriously was in his following), but in Muhammad's teachings is explicitly demanded, is not relevant. And that Jesus teachings were misinterpreted - I say: ursurped - by the church, whereas the teachings of Muhammad are not abused, but simply practiced to the word: not relevant.



Your indifference is absurd. I see no reason to continue when someone tells me that a historical figure is said to be of zero interest and that all and everything can be taken and twisted just to justify all and everything. That is complete intellectual nihilism: the complete absence of scales for comparing, category, evaluation, value. This is the politics I see at work in the EU, and this is the reason why the West is going down the drain: indifference, and unlimited tolerance on the basis of rejecting any qualities and scales that differ between what is to be tolerated, and what not. This is the total rejection of personal identity, this is anarchy, and I see your understanding of history as anarchic, too.

Forms need borders that define them, else all you have is an empty void.

I guess I don't see ideas as being themselves inherently dangerous. To borrow from the NRA: ideas don't kill people, people kill people. And in that vain, Islam isn't killing people and nor are the 1.2 billion people who practice it. Rather there are a very few people, out of these 1.2 billion, who have taken this religion and used it to fit their own ends and to recruit others of like mind to their cause. We have a name for them already, and its terrorists, not Islamists. And terrorism isn't the exclusive domain of Islam.

On a bit of a side track, if Islam is so dangerous, why was there such scant attention paid to it until recently? Not because of terrorism, that is nothing new. Not because of the theocracies in the middle east, they are nothing new either. Does it not strike you as odd that there always has to be a boogeyman to hate, to fear, and to conquer? Islam seems to have come into the spotlight right around the time the USSR had fully collapsed. So yesterday the godless Commies, today the Islamo-fascists, and tomorrow it'll be the godless Chinese.

Although at least the USSR was a well-defined nation state and not a religion practiced by 1.2 billion geographically diverse people. That is probably about as good as you could hope for a shadowy boogeyman.

[scandium]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

You are forever missing the point. The religion of Islam advocates the subjugation of the world to Islam and to Muslims.

If there were only 10 Muslims who followed Islam's teachings, this thread would not exist. But that's not the situation. There are millions of Muslims throughout the western world who are well aware in general of the ultimate goal of Islam reigning supreme over you and me and our separate ideological and religious beliefs. The Islamic world is pumping billions of dollars worldwide to achieve this goal of an Islamic ruled world.

You have already been targeted. Defend yourself or at least get out of the way so that others can.

*Yawn* forget to put on your tinfoil hat again, oh Great Seer?

Quick the black helicopters are coming!

[joea]

This thread is going:

[Fish]

Catholic by birth, the longer I live the more averse I gone be against religions, all religions. They all suck in one way or an other.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by scandium

(...)Catholic and where the Pope is regarded as infallible and Papal Decree as the word of God.

Sorry, the Church left the Middle Ages, you probably missed Pope Benedict XVI when he visited Auschwitz:


"In a place like this, words fail. In the end, there can only be a dread silence - a silence which is itself a heartfelt cry to God: Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this? Our silence becomes in turn a plea for forgiveness and reconciliation, a plea to the living God never to let this happen again."

You should revise your Catholic education, I wouldn't be surprised to find out you were schooled by pedophile Priests who didn't had much time for proper education at all.

[Yahoshua]

[/quote]......and then come the extreme outbursts of 'let's get ourselves some 7.62mm ammo stocked up', and everyone is good and happy.
How are you better than your bad evil muslim friends this way? [quote]

Well, lemme see about this:

The popular label I've been beaten to death with is that I'm Jewish, so therefore I am: Rich, snobbish, control the world resources, opress any foreign religions, and drink the blood of moslems and christians at every passover seder.

But in reality: I am at the mercy of the masses (save for my rifle to defend myself with), I am a 10 cent dairy goat farmer, I have NO assets and currently live on a spot-job income while saving $ for school, live in Mormonville where there is NO tolerance for anyone who refuses to convert to Mormonism, but I apparently control the planet, organised and carried out 9/11 but keep myself poor to make it look like I don't do any of this.

Add to the fact that I'm the descendant of a pig (as the moslems claim), and that I'd be drawn, quartered, skinned and beheaded within 30 minutes of crossing into a moslem controlled region, and if I happen to survive there I can't even tell people my real name or else they'll think I'm a christian or a jew (they'll kill me either way).

God forbid I'd want to defend myself from these people. I might be portrayed as a serial murderer intent on world domination.

[scandium]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

You should revise your Catholic education, I wouldn't be surprised to find out you were schooled by pedophile Priests who didn't had much time for proper education at all.

If this kind of disgusting personal attack is what you consider discussion then I'm not going to bother reading or replying to your garbage in the future.

[TteFAboB]

Thanks.

I do not seek your applause scandium, but exactly your disgust.

[STEED]

This thread has fallen off the rails and turned into a slanging match not what I call very constructive.

Time to give this thread the

[XabbaRus]

Should of happened a long time ago. Too many times now I see threads on subsim descending into s*** like this.

Definately not like the subsim of yore. Too much nastiness and venom.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Should of happened a long time ago. Too many times now I see threads on subsim descending into s*** like this.

Definately not like the subsim of yore. Too much nastiness and venom.

HERE, HERE.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by STEED

HERE, HERE.

Steed,
You can't "HERE, HERE". You've only been here since six month's!
Back in the day's of yore the world wasn't like it is today. Back in the day's of yore Muslim/Western culture was not at a clashing as it is today.
If you don't like the thread just don't read it.

[STEED]

I excise my freedom of speech and add my comment to a thread debating is one thing slanging matches is another issue.

[CCIP]

Yes, but again, as I mentioned in my post earlier in this thread - this is a cyclic thing on Subsim in the last few months. Of course, I think it shows that it's a really contentious issue that's difficult to solve.

For the record, for a while I sided with those-who-shall-remain-unnamed who sounded the alarms over a real problem coming at the West. The alarms are well-due. But when the discussion moved to hints at solutions - because most people are afraid to state a serious solution, or are keen to post an unreasonable one - well, I found nothing I can agree with. The fact is that everyone's tugging the rope their own way, and quite shamelessly at that.

I'd feel sorry for the loss of an elightened Western culture, with its high humanistic ideals and an emphasis on reason. But I wouldn't feel sorry in the slightest for the loss of a Western culture that's rapidly descending back into the middle ages.

I think we're ultimately in disagreement as to what Western values are. No wonder there's no visible response in the society as yet.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by STEED

I excise my freedom of speech and add my comment to a thread debating is one thing slanging matches is another issue.

Ok

Just my 2 cents on the overall subject is that people mistake all this as islam vs. christianity while as a matter of fact(in my book anyway) it's a violent islamic culture vs. a democratic western culture. Unless democracy stops being so sweetly democratic our days are numbered.
In my veiw it's not religion, it's revolution, and when you want a revolution who do you recruit? The poor and those unhappy with their lot in life. They see themselves going nowhere in there own countries which have little to no industry and live hand to mouth. Why are muslims flocking to european countries? To improve their lot in life. What they find is low paying or no jobs at all and are treated as second class citizens. It isn't hard for these immams(?) to feed on this misery.
My view on these so called religious leaders is that a lot are nothing but wannabe mafia style boss's that use religion as a front to gain personal wealth and power. It's a huge scam and it's showing itself to be building in momentum.
I think islam is corrupt and their are not enough good muslim leaders to stem it or even survive it without getting murdered themselves in the name of God.
Well, make this my nickles worth.