Hospital ships - Page 2

tycho102 · 04-16-06, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Collie

What would you have done?

Sink it, because given the chance, we would have done the same to the Krauts. That fewer soldiers, and any hit to morale would help the entire effort.

Now, I don't think I'd have gone so far as to machine-gun the life boats, although that might very well have been the most "merciful" thing to do. Heat stroke and dehydration aren't all that simple of a way to go.

But I'd have dropped that hospital ship.

2019 · 04-16-06, 01:05 PM

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What would you have done?

With my deckgun I would cause damage to it's engines.
Leave it just there till a resque ship will arrive, in hope that this might be a worthy ship that i shall strike on.

Lol i'm pretty mean.
I guess I would be a good Nazi captain.

Anyway it's just a game

DerKaleun · 04-16-06, 01:16 PM

I even let a single little merchant go, as we encountered on Dec. 24th. He began to zigzag, IÂ´ve shot a flare as a salute, and sailed away from him without doing any harm to the ship.

Herr Karl · 04-16-06, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

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Originally Posted by Herr Karl

I sank two of them and recieved 6,000 reknown each time.

I've reinstalled GW since then.

Herr Karl, Would you PM me if this happens again? (If you receive positive renown that is...) you should get minus 10,000 renown for sinking one.

Afterwards... please stop blowing up the hospital ships!

Feel free to surface next to them and scare the hell out of them... but Nuremburg awaits you if you sink them!

Shame shame shame

Will do KL, but in my modded Requisition Manual (which I like very much) it now says that it is -10,000 reknown also. Hopefully, I won't come across any more Hospital Ships, and become tempted.
:rotfl:

Dowly · 04-16-06, 04:30 PM

You sank a hospital ship!

LetÂ´s just hope you wont get caught after the war!

Hospital ships are off-limits for me. And as a sligh off topic, they had also an unwritten rule not to attack ships that are picking up survivors.

Laughing Swordfish · 04-16-06, 08:27 PM

No way would I knowingly put torpedoes into a hospital ship.

Apart from the obvious moral and international treaty reasons, which make the idea abhorrent, there's some other ones:

There may well be German, or at least friendly nation PWs on board. (Think similar to the Laconia incident)

Certainly civilians and probably women and children

You will have used torpedoes against a non-military, non-strategic and non-commerce target.

Depending on the date of the atrocity, you will have alienated your country and brought down the wrath of the mighty (does this ring a bell?) In WW2 this could bring powerful nations into the war against you, or certainly harden the resolve of those you are supposed to be fighting
Thus making it harder to hunt, and for other boats to hunt legitimate targets in future

You will have given away your position. It's rare that a hospital ship would be far away from a convoy, isn't it?

And even if not hunted down like a rat at the time, your life span is strictly limited to the Nuremberg Trials, and the noose that will most surely be fitted round your neck.

I know it's only a game, but if you only did it to amass renown points, then mate, your girl was right. And why four torpedoes against an unarmed hospital ship? Why not just surface and have some fun with deck gun practice, whilst peppering her lifeboat decks with the AA gun?

Seriously though, I'd scuttle that boat however far you've got with it, and come out of port with a clean one.

Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, and it was at least a very honest question and thread.

LS

Kpt. Lehmann · 04-17-06, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Laughing Swordfish

No way would I knowingly put torpedoes into a hospital ship.

Apart from the obvious moral and international treaty reasons, which make the idea abhorrent, there's some other ones:

There may well be German, or at least friendly nation PWs on board. (Think similar to the Laconia incident)

Certainly civilians and probably women and children

You will have used torpedoes against a non-military, non-strategic and non-commerce target.

Depending on the date of the atrocity, you will have alienated your country and brought down the wrath of the mighty (does this ring a bell?) In WW2 this could bring powerful nations into the war against you, or certainly harden the resolve of those you are supposed to be fighting
Thus making it harder to hunt, and for other boats to hunt legitimate targets in future

You will have given away your position. It's rare that a hospital ship would be far away from a convoy, isn't it?

And even if not hunted down like a rat at the time, your life span is strictly limited to the Nuremberg Trials, and the noose that will most surely be fitted round your neck.

I know it's only a game, but if you only did it to amass renown points, then mate, your girl was right. And why four torpedoes against an unarmed hospital ship? Why not just surface and have some fun with deck gun practice, whilst peppering her lifeboat decks with the AA gun?

Seriously though, I'd scuttle that boat however far you've got with it, and come out of port with a clean one.

Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, and it was at least a very honest question and thread.

LS

I agree completely. In GW it is my intention to make the torpedoing of a hospital ship a career-ending event.

Furthermore, something that I am eternally sensitive to in relation to GW... is the honor of the sea-going fighting man and woman.

There are bad eggs in every branch of every service everywhere... However, I choose to have a little faith in humanity and believe that even among combatants at war... there are lines that cannot be crossed without giving up one's own humanity.

Certainly crimes and atrocities were committed... but these things overpower the individual fighting man's existence.

Sorry for the sermon.

Wulfmann · 04-17-06, 03:38 PM

Before I installed this new GW RND I just modded to my taste I had Hospital ships sailing independant and the similar Serg transport and until you got close you could not tell them a part. At night it was near impossible.
I was sure one was a transport so opened fire with my deck gun. With its spotlights beaming I could not make out the crosses so kept firing.
With the ship burning I manned the AA and took out the spotlights and fired a star shell.
Lo and behold it was a hospital ship.
I could not believe it. I was sure it was not
I apologized in Italian and they relpied they knew I wasn't German or they would have been sunk by now so I lost no renown.:rotfl:

I set my neutral from -1 to 1 because most ships heading to England are fair game IMO. I respect the proper neutrals like Sweden or any non combatant traveling alone and not in the direction of an enemy port.

I will have to edit the new RND to have that as the extra demension is fun.
I also had them in convoys with the same type transports. One in five were hospital ships and I was always nervous in a rain storm about my targets. They would not have been in convoys but I could not resist the added question of their possible presence.
I will leave them out of my GW-modded RND convoys because it is not real.

Wulfmann

Fritz Fraghof · 06-14-06, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

and after the war I suggest staying well clear of Nuremberg.

Lol. Is there a mod to simulate that?

BigBadVuk · 06-14-06, 12:48 PM

Yestrday i sunk my 6th Hospital ship..and i still didnt get -10000 !! First 2 or 3 i sunk in previous career but then i was sunk by DCs from DD.When i started next career i cleaned all traces of SHIII(including registry check) and then i patched him and then i added GW1.0+1.1 update using JSGME ( i checked manyaly all *.7z archives,they are all ok)..The point is i did this becose still (now in my second GW career in 1942,october) i still didnt see either negative renow for hospital ships or single aircraft(beside that 2 BF109 over my starting port)...any ideas?

scandium · 06-14-06, 01:14 PM

I don't sink Hospital ships. Anything else is fair game, although I won't waste an eel on anything smaller than a coastal steamer (so if the weather is too bad for guns then its a lucky day for the enemy skipper).

coronas · 06-14-06, 02:09 PM

Sink Hospital Ships is a war crime. It's a blur in honor of Kriegsmarine and his men.

Seminole · 06-14-06, 03:45 PM

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asked my No.1 (the missus) and she said let it go, ...

I sank it with 4 torps....

Priceless....

Vikinger · 06-14-06, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Seminole

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asked my No.1 (the missus) and she said let it go, ...

I sank it with 4 torps....

Priceless....

Haha Yeah. i guess he sank it just becuse his wife said No

spork542 · 06-14-06, 04:16 PM

No. Just no. Wars are wrong, but sinking a ship clearly marked as a hospital ship is wronger, at least to me. I've seen a lone hospital ship in the mid-atlantic as well, but I dove and proceeded to ignore it. I made sure it was gone and then surfaced so as to not be tempted to destroy it, and also because I don't want my position reported. Passenger liners I don't mind sinking if they are not clearly marked as civilian liners, such as if they converted to troop transports. However, if I saw any markings on a liner that would lead me to suspect it was not a troop transport, I would ignore it. Now, that is ignoring the fact that all passenger liners in-game have no markings, I know, but I'm only talking about morals here.

04-16-06, 01:16 PM	#18
DerKaleun Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: DÃ¼sseldorf Posts: 124 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I even let a single little merchant go, as we encountered on Dec. 24th. He began to zigzag, IÂ´ve shot a flare as a salute, and sailed away from him without doing any harm to the ship. __________________ U-Boot Spezialcocktail :-)

04-17-06, 03:38 PM	#23
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Before I installed this new GW RND I just modded to my taste I had Hospital ships sailing independant and the similar Serg transport and until you got close you could not tell them a part. At night it was near impossible. I was sure one was a transport so opened fire with my deck gun. With its spotlights beaming I could not make out the crosses so kept firing. With the ship burning I manned the AA and took out the spotlights and fired a star shell. Lo and behold it was a hospital ship. I could not believe it. I was sure it was not I apologized in Italian and they relpied they knew I wasn't German or they would have been sunk by now so I lost no renown.:rotfl: I set my neutral from -1 to 1 because most ships heading to England are fair game IMO. I respect the proper neutrals like Sweden or any non combatant traveling alone and not in the direction of an enemy port. I will have to edit the new RND to have that as the extra demension is fun. I also had them in convoys with the same type transports. One in five were hospital ships and I was always nervous in a rain storm about my targets. They would not have been in convoys but I could not resist the added question of their possible presence. I will leave them out of my GW-modded RND convoys because it is not real. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

06-14-06, 12:48 PM	#25
BigBadVuk Ensign Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 222 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Yestrday i sunk my 6th Hospital ship..and i still didnt get -10000 !! First 2 or 3 i sunk in previous career but then i was sunk by DCs from DD.When i started next career i cleaned all traces of SHIII(including registry check) and then i patched him and then i added GW1.0+1.1 update using JSGME ( i checked manyaly all *.7z archives,they are all ok)..The point is i did this becose still (now in my second GW career in 1942,october) i still didnt see either negative renow for hospital ships or single aircraft(beside that 2 BF109 over my starting port)...any ideas? __________________ Any ship can submerge.. Only submarine can surface!

06-14-06, 04:16 PM	#30
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	No. Just no. Wars are wrong, but sinking a ship clearly marked as a hospital ship is wronger, at least to me. I've seen a lone hospital ship in the mid-atlantic as well, but I dove and proceeded to ignore it. I made sure it was gone and then surfaced so as to not be tempted to destroy it, and also because I don't want my position reported. Passenger liners I don't mind sinking if they are not clearly marked as civilian liners, such as if they converted to troop transports. However, if I saw any markings on a liner that would lead me to suspect it was not a troop transport, I would ignore it. Now, that is ignoring the fact that all passenger liners in-game have no markings, I know, but I'm only talking about morals here. __________________

04-16-06, 04:30 PM	#20
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	You sank a hospital ship! LetÂ´s just hope you wont get caught after the war! Hospital ships are off-limits for me. And as a sligh off topic, they had also an unwritten rule not to attack ships that are picking up survivors.

04-16-06, 08:27 PM	#21
Laughing Swordfish Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 713 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	No way would I knowingly put torpedoes into a hospital ship. Apart from the obvious moral and international treaty reasons, which make the idea abhorrent, there's some other ones: There may well be German, or at least friendly nation PWs on board. (Think similar to the Laconia incident) Certainly civilians and probably women and children You will have used torpedoes against a non-military, non-strategic and non-commerce target. Depending on the date of the atrocity, you will have alienated your country and brought down the wrath of the mighty (does this ring a bell?) In WW2 this could bring powerful nations into the war against you, or certainly harden the resolve of those you are supposed to be fighting Thus making it harder to hunt, and for other boats to hunt legitimate targets in future You will have given away your position. It's rare that a hospital ship would be far away from a convoy, isn't it? And even if not hunted down like a rat at the time, your life span is strictly limited to the Nuremberg Trials, and the noose that will most surely be fitted round your neck. I know it's only a game, but if you only did it to amass renown points, then mate, your girl was right. And why four torpedoes against an unarmed hospital ship? Why not just surface and have some fun with deck gun practice, whilst peppering her lifeboat decks with the AA gun? Seriously though, I'd scuttle that boat however far you've got with it, and come out of port with a clean one. Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, and it was at least a very honest question and thread. LS

06-14-06, 01:14 PM	#26
scandium Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't sink Hospital ships. Anything else is fair game, although I won't waste an eel on anything smaller than a coastal steamer (so if the weather is too bad for guns then its a lucky day for the enemy skipper).

06-14-06, 02:09 PM	#27
coronas Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asturias, España Posts: 1,168 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Sink Hospital Ships is a war crime. It's a blur in honor of Kriegsmarine and his men.