Topside torpedoes

Aktungbby · 04-21-20, 05:13 PM

A LITTLE REQUIRED READING

: https://digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1599&context=etd pg. 65! DRUMBEATER HARDIGAN ONLY CARRIED 15 EELS ON HIS TYPE IXB U-123 ON EACH OF TWO PATROLS (7 & 8)TO THE AMERICAN COAST. pg. 147-148: With torpedoes, Hardigan bagged eight ships on each patrol, and three with deck gun fire: a poor performance of an average of two + eels per victim. It gets you a knights cross but does not win wars. It is noteworthy that for whatever reason, only 15 were carried on the 6, 000+ mile voyages
23 December 1941 – 9 February 1942 (Previous to black May 1943) out of a possible 22 maximum; (the IXD could carry 24.) Type IXs had six torpedo tubes; four at the bow and two at the stern. They carried six reloads internally and had five external torpedo containers (three at the stern and two at the bow) which stored ten additional torpedoes. The total of 22 torpedoes allowed U-boat commanders to follow a convoy and strike night after night. KALEUN HARDIGAN WAS 16 STORED EELS SHORT OVER TWO PATROLS: AT HIS 2 EEL PER SHIP 'KILL' RATE, EIGHT MORE ALLIED SHIPS WERE NOT SUNK. REINHARD HARDIGAN DIED AT AGE 105....OBVIOUSLY HE MADE FEW MISTAKES, IE NOT CARRYING A LOT OF TOP SPARES G7a'S IN OPERATION DRUMBEATER.....

Kapitän · 04-22-20, 02:05 PM

Standing B.d.U. Order No.305, from 3 May 1943 states:

1. Type VII B, C, D - None
2. Type IX B, C - Normally, none - IX C only with Special Patrol Order, 2 Upper Deck Containers with 2 Torpedoes
3. Type IX D - 12 Upper Deck Containers with 12 Torpdoes

John Pancoast · 04-22-20, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitän

Standing B.d.U. Order No.305, from 3 May 1943 states:

1. Type VII B, C, D - None
2. Type IX B, C - Normally, none - IX C only with Special Patrol Order, 2 Upper Deck Containers with 2 Torpedoes
3. Type IX D - 12 Upper Deck Containers with 12 Torpdoes

Thanks !

Aktungbby · 04-22-20, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by me

My bet is, externally stored U-boat eels began declining in June 1943 when Doenitz resumed his futile efforts...saving the Reich a few RieichsMarks for the Russian front

...pending further investigations of course!

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Originally Posted by KriegsMarine

I guess it's gotta be the year of 1943, maybe after the Black May.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitän

Standing B.d.U. Order No.305, from 3 May 1943 states:

1. Type VII B, C, D - None
2. Type IX B, C - Normally, none - IX C only with Special Patrol Order, 2 Upper Deck Containers with 2 Torpedoes
3. Type IX D - 12 Upper Deck Containers with 12 Torpdoes

TAAAA daaaa!

is there a web site for that order?

Kapitän · 04-23-20, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

TAAAA daaaa!

is there a web site for that order?

http://www.uboatarchive.net/index.html

Aktungbby · 04-23-20, 09:43 AM

thanx!

FUBAR295 · 04-23-20, 10:44 AM

If you go to http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDU/BDUKTB30323.htm and on page 330 the following shows up on Doenitz's KTB for May 1 to 15, 1943.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

VI. General: Provision of upper deck containers: On 30.4 the order was given to omit upper deck containers when fitting out all boats operating in the North Atlantic. This order was necessitated by the gradually increasing number of cases where, when the boats were depth-charged or bombed, especially at fairly great depths, the upper deck containers were cracked or started leaking, or were swamped and thus very gravely endangered the boat, especially the Type IX which carries 8 deck containers. It is suspected that this has been the cause of the loss of many boats. The following orders are now in force for the provision of upper deck containers: 1) Type VIIb, c, d - none. 2) Type IXb, c - normally none. Type IXc is to take 6 upper deck containers with 6 torpedoes when special orders are given, but only on operations in the south. 3) Type IXd - 12 upper deck containers with 12 torpedoes. Thus, the upper deck cargo for IXc boats operating in the
south has been reduced from 8 to 6 torpedoes to reduce the danger to the boat if containers should spring a leak.
In connection with the foregoing order Ob.d.M. made the following decision regarding new construction of upper deck containers. i) Containers on all boats in commission will not be replaced if they have proved faulty. ii) New construction Type VIIc will be equipped with stronger iron upper deck containers as already planned, also, as before, the loading gear for use at sea. iii) New construction Type IXc will be equipped with 6 upper deck containers built of light metal, but possessing greater stability; Type IXd will carry 12 containers. iv) Type IXb and c boats putting to sea without upper deck containers will not have their ballast redistributed, but will carry some 5 tons less fuel. v) Type Xb will be issued with 6 upper deck containers as before, but they are only to be put on board if special orders are given.

John Pancoast · 04-23-20, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FUBAR295

If you go to http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDU/BDUKTB30323.htm and on page 330 the following shows up on Doenitz's KTB for May 1 to 15, 1943.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

VI. General: Provision of upper deck containers: On 30.4 the order was given to omit upper deck containers when fitting out all boats operating in the North Atlantic. This order was necessitated by the gradually increasing number of cases where, when the boats were depth-charged or bombed, especially at fairly great depths, the upper deck containers were cracked or started leaking, or were swamped and thus very gravely endangered the boat, especially the Type IX which carries 8 deck containers. It is suspected that this has been the cause of the loss of many boats. The following orders are now in force for the provision of upper deck containers: 1) Type VIIb, c, d - none. 2) Type IXb, c - normally none. Type IXc is to take 6 upper deck containers with 6 torpedoes when special orders are given, but only on operations in the south. 3) Type IXd - 12 upper deck containers with 12 torpedoes. Thus, the upper deck cargo for IXc boats operating in the
south has been reduced from 8 to 6 torpedoes to reduce the danger to the boat if containers should spring a leak.
In connection with the foregoing order Ob.d.M. made the following decision regarding new construction of upper deck containers. i) Containers on all boats in commission will not be replaced if they have proved faulty. ii) New construction Type VIIc will be equipped with stronger iron upper deck containers as already planned, also, as before, the loading gear for use at sea. iii) New construction Type IXc will be equipped with 6 upper deck containers built of light metal, but possessing greater stability; Type IXd will carry 12 containers. iv) Type IXb and c boats putting to sea without upper deck containers will not have their ballast redistributed, but will carry some 5 tons less fuel. v) Type Xb will be issued with 6 upper deck containers as before, but they are only to be put on board if special orders are given.

04-21-20, 05:13 PM	#1
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,016 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	A LITTLE REQUIRED READING: https://digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1599&context=etd pg. 65! DRUMBEATER HARDIGAN ONLY CARRIED 15 EELS ON HIS TYPE IXB U-123 ON EACH OF TWO PATROLS (7 & 8)TO THE AMERICAN COAST. pg. 147-148: With torpedoes, Hardigan bagged eight ships on each patrol, and three with deck gun fire: a poor performance of an average of two + eels per victim. It gets you a knights cross but does not win wars. It is noteworthy that for whatever reason, *only 15 were carried on the 6, 000+ mile voyages* 23 December 1941 – 9 February 1942 *(Previous to black May 1943)* out of a possible 22 maximum; (the IXD could carry 24.) Type IXs had six torpedo tubes; four at the bow and two at the stern. They carried six reloads internally and had five external torpedo containers (three at the stern and two at the bow) which stored ten additional torpedoes. The total of 22 torpedoes allowed U-boat commanders to follow a convoy and strike night after night. KALEUN HARDIGAN WAS 16 STORED EELS SHORT OVER TWO PATROLS: AT HIS 2 EEL PER SHIP 'KILL' RATE, EIGHT MORE ALLIED SHIPS WERE NOT SUNK. REINHARD HARDIGAN DIED AT AGE 105....OBVIOUSLY HE MADE FEW MISTAKES, IE NOT CARRYING A LOT OF TOP SPARES G7a'S IN OPERATION DRUMBEATER..... __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!! Last edited by Aktungbby; 04-21-20 at 05:28 PM.

04-22-20, 02:05 PM	#2
Kapitän The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 1,580 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Upper Deck Torpedoes Standing B.d.U. Order No.305, from 3 May 1943 states: 1. Type VII B, C, D - None 2. Type IX B, C - Normally, none - IX C only with Special Patrol Order, 2 Upper Deck Containers with 2 Torpedoes 3. Type IX D - 12 Upper Deck Containers with 12 Torpdoes __________________ KSDII-Ace/GWX 3.0 Gold/CCoM 10.0 + h.sie-patch; Windows 7 (64-bit); NVIDIA GeForce GTX650 (310.90)

04-23-20, 09:43 AM	#6
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,016 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	thanx! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

04-23-20, 10:44 AM	#7
FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,450 Downloads: 493 Uploads: 0	If you go to http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDU/BDUKTB30323.htm and on page 330 the following shows up on Doenitz's KTB for May 1 to 15, 1943. Good hunting, FUBAR295 VI. General: Provision of upper deck containers: On 30.4 the order was given to omit upper deck containers when fitting out all boats operating in the North Atlantic. This order was necessitated by the gradually increasing number of cases where, when the boats were depth-charged or bombed, especially at fairly great depths, the upper deck containers were cracked or started leaking, or were swamped and thus very gravely endangered the boat, especially the Type IX which carries 8 deck containers. It is suspected that this has been the cause of the loss of many boats. The following orders are now in force for the provision of upper deck containers: 1) Type VIIb, c, d - none. 2) Type IXb, c - normally none. Type IXc is to take 6 upper deck containers with 6 torpedoes when special orders are given, but only on operations in the south. 3) Type IXd - 12 upper deck containers with 12 torpedoes. Thus, the upper deck cargo for IXc boats operating in the south has been reduced from 8 to 6 torpedoes to reduce the danger to the boat if containers should spring a leak. In connection with the foregoing order Ob.d.M. made the following decision regarding new construction of upper deck containers. i) Containers on all boats in commission will not be replaced if they have proved faulty. ii) New construction Type VIIc will be equipped with stronger iron upper deck containers as already planned, also, as before, the loading gear for use at sea. iii) New construction Type IXc will be equipped with 6 upper deck containers built of light metal, but possessing greater stability; Type IXd will carry 12 containers. iv) Type IXb and c boats putting to sea without upper deck containers will not have their ballast redistributed, but will carry some 5 tons less fuel. v) Type Xb will be issued with 6 upper deck containers as before, but they are only to be put on board if special orders are given. __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.