External Camera- a "poll"

CB.. · 06-12-06, 05:13 PM

it's the F12 uber scope view that's the key to reducing difficulty with the external view enabled--just edit out the F12 capability and you have best of both worlds--

CCIP · 06-12-06, 05:16 PM

Yes, but only if you want it to.

I'll admit that it probably took me a year to learn not to cheat with it. The trick is to play for a while with it disabled, and then bring it back in. By that time you'll be so used to playing without the camera that it won't even cross your mind to use it for anything other than some nice screenies to show for the action.

Keelbuster · 06-12-06, 06:01 PM

Screencaps are necessary. period.

Kb

U-Cass · 06-12-06, 08:40 PM

I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas.

06-13-06, 10:36 AM

Yes, it's unrealistic, and it's cheating, after a fashion. I lived without it in AOD and SHI.

Yes, the graphics are fantastic and you really need the external camera to fully enjoy what's going on, especially with the harbor traffic mods.

Yes, I use it, but I have trained myself not to peek when actually in action.

Oh yes I have.

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Originally Posted by U-Cass

I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas.

The event camera can be disabled from the Gameplay.cfg (I think). I also think it can be controlled from SH3 Commander, if you use that. You probably disabled it using one of those sources, which means it can't be accessed from the game's Realism screen. I'm probably wrong about the Gameplay file, but it's in there somewhere.

Threadfin · 06-13-06, 02:05 PM

Other reasons why I think having no externals makes SH3 more challenging include identification. Much more difficult, and you don't instantly know if the target is armed.

All air contacts get treated the same. Dive. No > key to quickly check whether it's friendly. You can no longer watch your torpedos. No externals and event cam combined with manual targeting really is awesome. You set up your shot and fire. The timer ticks past, and no explosion. As you curse your miss the torpedos hit.

The phenomenon that occurs when looking at a silhouette also plays a part. It's often difficult to tell if a target is coming or going.

When I first started playing SH3 I used externals to gawk at everything too. But that novelty only lasts so long, and I eventually want to make things as challenging and realistic as possible. Playing without external views is certainly making ground in this regard. It's like a different sim.

andy_311 · 06-13-06, 04:34 PM

I do use it on occasions it got me out of some tight squeezes and old habits die hard.

Phylacista · 06-21-06, 02:17 AM

I played without the external view some patrol. But only after recognising I am using it more often for ship identification and destroyer runs.
Ever tried to see a convoy miles away after hearing it on hydrophone? Picking up which line the T3 are? That can be fun but also irresistable cheating...

For now I think I can control myself, but I cannot play without. Have to take a screen from time to time - great thing to share a patrol in W@W - pics saying more than all those numbers and letters...

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Originally Posted by U-Cass

I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas.

Yep. Under Graphic Options in Sh3 main menu you can enable event camera. If you have not its greyed out. But thats the event camera not the F12 external view.

WAit. Is this thread about event camera? I have greyed out this too - on purpose. Nobody needs the event information when being attacked, when launching torpedoes when an enemy ship sinks. This was annoyance from start on. With F12, Backspace ,Del (NUM) the arrows and your mouse you have every freedom you need. And most important: CTRL+F11

Mooncatt · 06-21-06, 03:11 AM

i usually do use the cam but only to watch the fireworks as my torp hits nothing else

06-12-06, 05:13 PM	#1
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	it's the F12 uber scope view that's the key to reducing difficulty with the external view enabled--just edit out the F12 capability and you have best of both worlds-- __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats

06-12-06, 05:16 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yes, but only if you want it to. I'll admit that it probably took me a year to learn not to cheat with it. The trick is to play for a while with it disabled, and then bring it back in. By that time you'll be so used to playing without the camera that it won't even cross your mind to use it for anything other than some nice screenies to show for the action. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

06-12-06, 06:01 PM	#3
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Screencaps are necessary. period. Kb __________________

06-12-06, 08:40 PM	#4
U-Cass Mate Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 51 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas. __________________ A Frog, A Pond, The Frog jumped, PLOP!

06-13-06, 02:05 PM	#6
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Other reasons why I think having no externals makes SH3 more challenging include identification. Much more difficult, and you don't instantly know if the target is armed. All air contacts get treated the same. Dive. No > key to quickly check whether it's friendly. You can no longer watch your torpedos. No externals and event cam combined with manual targeting really is awesome. You set up your shot and fire. The timer ticks past, and no explosion. As you curse your miss the torpedos hit. The phenomenon that occurs when looking at a silhouette also plays a part. It's often difficult to tell if a target is coming or going. When I first started playing SH3 I used externals to gawk at everything too. But that novelty only lasts so long, and I eventually want to make things as challenging and realistic as possible. Playing without external views is certainly making ground in this regard. It's like a different sim. __________________ What? Behind the rabbit?

06-13-06, 04:34 PM	#7
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I do use it on occasions it got me out of some tight squeezes and old habits die hard.

06-21-06, 03:11 AM	#9
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	i usually do use the cam but only to watch the fireworks as my torp hits nothing else