US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Bilge_Rat]

I would not say Bernie has no chance. I like Bernie. I have been following his career for over 20 years. He is a very honest politician, in the sense that he says what he believes.

He is also practical. In his years in Congress, he has learned to negotiate deals to get what he wants, often with very conservative politicians. If he won, he would probably be a more moderate, practical President than most people give him credit for.

But he is an out and out hard line Marxist, it is not a show. His policies will probably scare enough voters to give the edge to Trump.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I would not say Bernie has no chance. I like Bernie. I have been following his career for over 20 years. He is a very honest politician, in the sense that he says what he believes.

He is also practical. In his years in Congress, he has learned to negotiate deals to get what he wants, often with very conservative politicians. If he won, he would probably be a more moderate, practical President than most people give him credit for.

But he is an out and out hard line Marxist, it is not a show. His policies will probably scare enough voters to give the edge to Trump.

Bernie=Free. Free college. Free healthcare. When colleges and hospitals stop paying their electric, water, gas bills and medicine is dispensed without charge will if be free because these institutions will have ceased paying for anything. They do not need the money. Until then the "government sponsored programs" are really tax payer sponsored programs. Bernie uses the word "trillion" like the money grows on trees. He railed against the millionaires. Now that he is one he rails against the billionaires. And Cuba ain't so bad according to Bernie. Really, when then do many in Cuba use make shift rafts to go 80 miles to Florida? Bernie is scary enough without his policies.

[u crank]

If Sanders does become President in 2020 he will probably be a disappointment to the people who voted for him. His election promises are just too pie in the sky. Democrats will have to control both the House and the Senate and even then there may be some Democrats who oppose his ideas.

[Jimbuna]

When I see Sanders on tv I am instantly reminded of Corbyn and his pre election promises.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by u crank

If Sanders does become President in 2020 he will probably be a disappointment to the people who voted for him. His election promises are just too pie in the sky. Democrats will have to control both the House and the Senate and even then there may be some Democrats who oppose his ideas.

Pie in the sky is putting it lightly. The guy is smoking some strong stuff.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Pie in the sky is putting it lightly. The guy is smoking some strong stuff.

Bernie is an ideolog. All of his ideas come from a socialist ideology that is not anchored in reality. What does he propose?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...s-major-plans/

-College for All and Cancel Student Debt. Cost $2.2 trillion.

-Housing for All. Cost $2.5 trillion.

-Universal Childcare/Pre-K. Cost $1.5 trillion.

-Green New Deal. Cost $16.3 trillion.

-Medicare for All. ???

Bernie's website gives no estimate but most experts predict at least $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

There is one thing for sure and Sanders freely admits it. Taxes will go up.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by u crank

Bernie is an ideolog. All of his ideas come from a socialist ideology that is not anchored in reality. What does he propose?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...s-major-plans/

-College for All and Cancel Student Debt. Cost $2.2 trillion.

-Housing for All. Cost $2.5 trillion.

-Universal Childcare/Pre-K. Cost $1.5 trillion.

-Green New Deal. Cost $16.3 trillion.

-Medicare for All. ???

Bernie's website gives no estimate but most experts predict at least $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

There is one thing for sure and Sanders freely admits it. Taxes will go up.

Even if it were all possible it doesn't take into account that all the movers and shakers are gonna say f#@$ that and pull up stakes. It assumes Bernie will inherit a wonderful economy from Trump, and that the economy will stay wonderful under a communist. Fat chance. The market will dive just on the possibility of our President being a communist. If Bernie gets elected it will really tank. Gold is gonna $oar, until Bernie confiscates it that is.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by u crank

Bernie is an ideolog. All of his ideas come from a socialist ideology that is not anchored in reality. What does he propose?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...s-major-plans/

-College for All and Cancel Student Debt. Cost $2.2 trillion.

-Housing for All. Cost $2.5 trillion.

-Universal Childcare/Pre-K. Cost $1.5 trillion.

-Green New Deal. Cost $16.3 trillion.

-Medicare for All. ???

Bernie's website gives no estimate but most experts predict at least $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

There is one thing for sure and Sanders freely admits it. Taxes will go up.

Bernie is un-electable. Certainly there are many who like Bernie for his universal healthcare for all but those same people are not for free college for all. Nothing is free after all. Government funded programs is really tax payer funded programs.

Stating taxes will go up is similar to shooting one's self in the foot.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Even if it were all possible it doesn't take into account that all the movers and shakers are gonna say f#@$ that and pull up stakes. It assumes Bernie will inherit a wonderful economy from Trump, and that the economy will stay wonderful under a communist. Fat chance. The market will dive just on the possibility of our President being a communist. If Bernie gets elected it will really tank. Gold is gonna $oar, until Bernie confiscates it that is.

There is already talk that Bernie as the front runner is making waves in the stock market. However, a majority is this virus. Similar reaction in the market has happened in the past with a virus outbreak. Also, similar reaction in the market during an election year has also spooked many to sell.

Sadly, this drop in the market affects all who have a 401K. To me the 401K is the big lie. It is not a sure thing. It is a risk. A risk that many take but have no recourse if the market tanks, housing collapses or just a poor overall economy. We as workers contributing to 401K are continually told to simply stuff money in the 401K. All will be well. Look at the long term. Well, some do not have a long term any longer. When the market dumps so does their retirement

[Mr Quatro]

If Sanders wins the nomination, and I don't think he will, it won't be

Sanders vs Trump it will be Socialism vs Capitalism

Fear of Socialism should return Trump to the WH ... Where I have already
said in the past that Trump will turn the WH over to VP Pence and take his leave.

As bad as Biden looks he should make a come back soon in the South and win the nomination for the DNC.

Did you hear where Hillary has thrown in her support for Sanders?

[mapuc]

It happens my brain enter a conflict mode.

During the last month or so, our Danish and Swedish news channel and news program have given me the feeling it's all party at the Dem's and Bernie will be the Western worlds savior.

Then I saw yesterdays episode of Cooper 360 (degrees) (well I saw 10-15 minute of it)
In this episode he had some former to Obama and something else-I notice his first name-Rahm (those who understand German know)

During this interview a text below said something like

The situation in the Dem party could be described as panic.

This made my brain go into a conflict mode.

Is it all party or is there panic among the leaders in the Dem's party

Markus

[u crank]

One cannot help but note that the rise of Bernie Sanders and the socialist/left in the Democrat party is a problem of their own making. Everything that the progressive/left/liberal crowd has been saying for the last twenty or thirty years has produced this moment. The progression from Bill Clinton to Barrack Obama to Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders is more than obvious. The socialist left elements of the party are trying to slide into the drivers seat. Only now when the moderates see a disaster in the making are they willing to try and stop it. It might be too late.

One thing you can say about Trump, he has been lucky with his opponents. Hillary was a gift. Pelosi is becoming irrelevant and now he may get Bernie the socialist.

[mapuc]

Your system on selecting a candidate is somehow similar to how we do it.

The Democrats put forward some candidate and then it's up to the American voters especially those who support the Democrats.

This raise the question

Is it those who support Bernie who have made a political left turn or is it due to something else.

Have always learned that socialisme and communism is not popular among the Americans.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Have always learned that socialisme and communism is not popular among the Americans.

Markus

That is an understatement.