UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ I liked that, so much so I've tweaked it a little for posting elsewhere

If that is so, you maybe want the original source as well:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland...story/13664885


I got the man's name wrong in my post, sorry. Not Michael Sommer, but Markus Somm.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

If that is so, you maybe want the original source as well:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland...story/13664885


I got the man's name wrong in my post, sorry. Not Michael Sommer, but Markus Somm.

Too late now but not a problem either

[Jimbuna]

‘Thanks, goodbye and good riddance’ — EU’s parting words to UK

The EU’s final words to the UK as it departed the union after nearly half a century were “thank you, goodbye, and good riddance”.

The misspoken farewell, spoken by the Croatian ambassador to her UK counterpart Tim Barrow last week, perhaps sums up 47 years of the Britons being lost in translation in Brussels.

Irena Andrassy, the Croatian ambassador, was chairing the UK’s final meeting of EU envoys as a member state because her country holds the six-month EU presidency. She assumed “good riddance” was akin to “good luck”, said diplomats present in the room.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

You simply couldn't make this up

[Catfish]

Rather fitting i think.

Maybe it was not so unintentional

[Skybird]

As good as the 3-versus-33 pages thing.

[Catfish]

Wow

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by MGR1

A piece by Michelle Ballantyne MSP, Jackson Carlaw's competitor for leadership of the Scottish Conservatives:

Michelle Ballantyne: Why I’m standing to lead the Scottish Conservatives

Now Carlaw makes his case for SCon leadership:

Jackson Carlaw: Why I’m standing to lead the Scottish Conservatives

Not much substance, TBH. The commentators seem to feel the same way.

Although I'm not so sure how this posters proposal would go down in England, let alone Scotland:

So little is being done to challenge the SNP. We need action. Where are the pro UK campaigns? Where is action to stop the SNP misusing the civil service for their party propaganda? As someone that supports Brexit, i hate to say it but we need to look at Brussels and learn a few lessons on how they have over many years attempted to build up their european identity and unity. We need to replicate some of the things they have done and do it in a more effective way.

The UK Shared Prosperity Fund is going to replace EU structural funds. A great idea, but implementation matters. The UK Gov needs to control what projects get the funding, it needs to make sure the UK takes credit for the spending, including making sure its visibly recognised via UK flag if its a public building or at least display that it was funded by UK.

We need UK wide educational and cultural changes. We need the House of Commons and UK Government to reach out to every school across the UK, especially in Scotland. Imagine if every secondary school kid had a UK Gov funded trip to London to visit Parliament, Buckingham Palace and other key sites. We need far more ministerial visits and events across Scotland. Funding for Cadet forces across the country.. We need a UK national day and heavy promotion of British identity. And much much more.

This really is not complicated. The separatist threat facing this country could be crushed if the government, and our unionist politicians put a bit of effort into it.

My main observation about the current state of Union that is the UK of GB and NI is that it reminds me of the last decades of the Indian Raj. Even those who are governing are starting to question the legitimacy of it's existance.

Mike.

[Moonlight]

I've wondered about that too, do you think that the UK government are hoping that the SNP dig such a bloody big hole for themselves that the UK government will be seen as saviours when they come to rescue Scotland in their hour of need.

^ Reads and sounds like an unlikely scenario doesn't it but, we're talking devious, government bastards here who will do almost anything to save the union, aren't we.....

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Wow

The problem is not Europe. The problem is the EU - it claims what it empirially demands to be, and the bad government it provides.



And both are not only not the same. Both are antagonists.


WWII, its veterans and NATO did not and do not stand for the EU-project. They stand for Europe. A Europe that is being hijacked and abused by the EU to turn it into a planned economy tyranny with a radically left-leaning society model and an all-dominant superior Sovjet overseeing it all and ordering it what to do and what to think and what to want and what to say.



Britain's turn-away is not a defeat of liberty. Its a reminder of what liberty originally once was meant to be. The EU leaves you only one liberty: the liberty to be compliant with the EU'S wanted collectivistic totalitarianism, and the EU'S upper hand on all and evertyhing. That is not liberty, but the betrayal of liberty.



Being a veteran of WWII, does not save you from misunderstanding things in the present. The attempt to appease Hitler - was born out of the wish to never have something like WW1 again, and prove that reasoncan prevail. People had good intentions when hoping this course woudl succeed. But they were sleepwalking into the abyss, and made it all a self-fulfilling prophecy. They believed in unrealistic, in wrong truths. These veterans in the video may mean it well. This does not turn them into experts on the present, or the EU. Their merits are refering to what they did in the past - not necessarily to what they think in the present.



Thats why this clip to me is just a populist attempt by a group of activists to manipulate sentiments.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

I've wondered about that too, do you think that the UK government are hoping that the SNP dig such a bloody big hole for themselves that the UK government will be seen as saviours when they come to rescue Scotland in their hour of need.

^ Reads and sounds like an unlikely scenario doesn't it but, we're talking devious, government bastards here who will do almost anything to save the union, aren't we.....

I don't think they're that devious. I think it has more to do with ignorance and lazy stereotyping about Scotland (particularly by the English Right) rather than actually trying to understand the reason WHY it acts the way it does.

Look for the root cause, rather than trying to fight a symptom which the existance of the SNP is. That means studying and understanding the nitty gritty of Scotland's history post-1707, particularly the conduct of it's ruling and mercantile/industrial classes.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The problem is not Europe. The problem is the EU - it claims what it empirially demands to be, and the bad government it provides.



And both are not only not the same. Both are antagonists.


WWII, its veterans and NATO did not and do not stand for the EU-project. They stand for Europe. A Europe that is being hijacked and abused by the EU to turn it into a planned economy tyranny with a radically left-leaning society model and an all-dominant superior Sovjet overseeing it all and ordering it what to do and what to think and what to want and what to say.



Britain's turn-away is not a defeat of liberty. Its a reminder of what liberty originally once was meant to be. The EU leaves you only one liberty: the liberty to be compliant with the EU'S wanted collectivistic totalitarianism, and the EU'S upper hand on all and evertyhing. That is not liberty, but the betrayal of liberty.



Being a veteran of WWII, does not save you from misunderstanding things in the present. The attempt to appease Hitler - was born out of the wish to never have something like WW1 again, and prove that reasoncan prevail. People had good intentions when hoping this course woudl succeed. But they were sleepwalking into the abyss, and made it all a self-fulfilling prophecy. They believed in unrealistic, in wrong truths. These veterans in the video may mean it well. This does not turn them into experts on the present, or the EU. Their merits are refering to what they did in the past - not necessarily to what they think in the present.



Thats why this clip to me is just a populist attempt by a group of activists to manipulate sentiments.

Couldn't have put it better myself

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

A lot of british veterans are not confused and "misunderstanding" elder people, it was also not them who "appeased Hitler". They fought out what others had decided, and they were no "sleepwalkers". Most of them are not for a brexit, and they have said that loud and clear.
If anyone happened to read Cecil Lewis' "Sagittarius Rising" he will know what i mean, Lewis exactly described a united Europe, by trade and without frontiers; all those men were and are not for this "brexit".

Of course Britain's turn-away is not a "defeat of liberty", who said that? It is about leaving a trade union. But it is not about winning a war either and celebrating it, like Cummings, BoJo, Rees-Mogg and Farage want it to present. Although they said it all of the time it never was meant for the common people, and they will experience that soon enough.

Originally Posted by Skybird

[...]Thats why this clip to me is just a populist attempt by a group of activists to manipulate sentiments.

Then it is very good that the brexiters are no populists and never tried to manipulate sentiments, while their reasons are all so scientific and well-based [/stark sarcasm]

"The first lie was austerity.

The second lie had two components, and together they led to the Conservatives’ victory in the 2015 general election. The first was that the Labour government had been profligate before the crisis. A simple look at the data shows this to be untrue.

The third lie was that immigration, rather than austerity, was responsible for those falling wages and reduced access to public services."
"The biggest and most damaging lie of all. The right-wing press groomed its readers with countless stories of “Brussels bureaucrats” that were mostly untrue. As a result of this misinformation, the public questioned the economic impact of Brexit, but believed limiting immigration would improve their access to public services.
Where did these falsehoods come from and why were they not challenged?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8929986.html

One of a hundred texts about it, you really have to wear blinkers to ignore it all.

Skybird: A Europe that is being hijacked and abused by the EU to turn it into a planned economy tyranny with a radically left-leaning society model and an all-dominant superior Sovjet overseeing it all and ordering it what to do and what to think and what to want and what to say.

Repeating the slobbering hate of Murdochs media. There may be all kinds of problems and corruption but this is ridiculous, and propaganda of the lowest kind.

[Catfish]

Good article

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...it-nationalism

I know it is not aggravating enough, too little hate speech, and criticising nationalism. How could i, the defender of your colonial overlord (read: EU), dare to quote this.

[Skybird]

Your life maybe would be easier if you would not always spend so much effort into wanting to misunderstand or wanting to misquote what I actually have said, Catfish.