[REL] Dark Waters

dashyr · 01-25-20, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Yes, V4 is more immersive but harder too (not impossible!)
No more sitting ducks cargos, now you have to think twice and plan your approach like a real kaleun!
Well...at start of war, they are still unarmed, but from 1941 that’s an other story

Found a small issue thought.

Time compression disengages WAAAAAY too close to contacts. That combined with the changes you made ain't really... hmm.. fun. If water is clear you basicly get insta spotted with no chance to react.

Got a whole taskforce trying to nuke my sub. Staying in their blind side without having them dropping charges or something is quite the challenge with only 50m under the keel.

Fifi · 01-25-20, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashyr

Found a small issue thought.

Time compression disengages WAAAAAY too close to contacts. That combined with the changes you made ain't really... hmm.. fun. If water is clear you basicly get insta spotted with no chance to react.

Got a whole taskforce trying to nuke my sub. Staying in their blind side without having them dropping charges or something is quite the challenge with only 50m under the keel.

I didn’t change our crew spotting distance! The exact same as before...

It’s dropping to zero TC with merchants.
I don’t really see why and how escorts could have changed spotting distance further away...as i touched only merchant visuals...

I’ll have a look into it this afternoon anyway.

Keep in mind best time compression is X512 to X1024, no more

Fifi · 01-25-20, 06:17 AM

Ok made i quick test with escorted convoy, and running at 1024 TC, game dropped to 1 for the first DD spotted at ... 14 KM!

Can't do better, and it seems fine to me

BUT the destroyers seemed to spot me around 11Km. It's not that accurate you are right.

I think i will decrease a bit the escorts spotting distance, so player will have more time to plan the approach.

Keep around, i'll adjust this very soon

Fifi · 01-25-20, 07:45 AM

V4_ESCORT_VISUAL_PATCH available on post #1!
Download and once unzipped copy/paste it in your Data/MODS folder.
To be activated very last on your list.

I decreased escort spotting range to around 9Km (depending their skill)
Stock OM was...50Km!!

Clear weather no fog, running X1024 TC, game will drop to 1 TC when destroyer spotted at around 14Km. Knowing he will spot you from 9Km, you have enough time to plan approach

Only with heavy fog you have to be careful with TC...
I tested an escorted convoy in bad weather with heavy fog, my crew was veteran, escort crew veteran also, running X1024 the game dropped to 1 when i spotted destroyer...i could see the destroyer shape in the fog, but around 1 minute later he spotted me!
That’s normal because of heavy fog distances are very close.
So or you crash dive as soon as something is spotted (again in heavy fog) or you have to slow down your surface speed and regularly dive and listen if something is closing (as it was in RL!)

I will include this patch in next V5, if all goes well.
But so far I’m satisfied of the results.

dashyr · 01-25-20, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

I didn’t change our crew spotting distance! The exact same as before...

It’s dropping to zero TC with merchants.
I don’t really see why and how escorts could have changed spotting distance further away...as i touched only merchant visuals...

I’ll have a look into it this afternoon anyway.

Keep in mind best time compression is X512 to X1024, no more

What I mean is... when time compression stops. I'm like 1km away and get spotted instantly. Well maybe not 1km... but I ain't exactly got time to calculate.

I did follow install instructions. Thanks for the hotfix. Very appreciated.

dashyr · 01-25-20, 01:23 PM

Oh and BTW.

Did you change the navigation map? V3 Showed a more precise underwater topography.

Might be a bug on my end IDK but the map is very minimalistic. Wich can cause an issue with planning routes. I usually travel over zones where I can dive deep but now I got nothing on the map to help me find those.

I'm all in for immersion but some concessions has to be made for a game to be enjoyable.

If the change was intended, could you make the old map as an optional addon?

Fifi · 01-25-20, 01:30 PM

again, didn’t changed anything related to nav map ...between V3 and V4!

dashyr · 01-25-20, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

again, didn’t changed anything related to nav map ...between V3 and V4!

Weird. Perhaps something has gone wrong with my installation. Even thought I did follow the instructions.. that's odd.

dashyr · 01-25-20, 02:02 PM

https://imgur.com/L6uSZOH

Link to a screenshot of the map.

I drawed an approximation of a zone with deeper water over it so your know what I mean. The map gives no indication if certain zones are deeper than other.

Is this intended or a bug on my end?

01-25-20, 06:17 AM	#3
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,085 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Ok made i quick test with escorted convoy, and running at 1024 TC, game dropped to 1 for the first DD spotted at ... 14 KM! Can't do better, and it seems fine to me BUT the destroyers seemed to spot me around 11Km. It's not that accurate you are right. I think i will decrease a bit the escorts spotting distance, so player will have more time to plan the approach. Keep around, i'll adjust this very soon __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

01-25-20, 07:45 AM	#4
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,085 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	V4_ESCORT_VISUAL_PATCH available on post #1! Download and once unzipped copy/paste it in your Data/MODS folder. To be activated very last on your list. I decreased escort spotting range to around 9Km (depending their skill) Stock OM was...50Km!! Clear weather no fog, running X1024 TC, game will drop to 1 TC when destroyer spotted at around 14Km. Knowing he will spot you from 9Km, you have enough time to plan approach Only with heavy fog you have to be careful with TC... I tested an escorted convoy in bad weather with heavy fog, my crew was veteran, escort crew veteran also, running X1024 the game dropped to 1 when i spotted destroyer...i could see the destroyer shape in the fog, but around 1 minute later he spotted me! That’s normal because of heavy fog distances are very close. So or you crash dive as soon as something is spotted (again in heavy fog) or you have to slow down your surface speed and regularly dive and listen if something is closing (as it was in RL!) I will include this patch in next V5, if all goes well. But so far I’m satisfied of the results. __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file Last edited by Fifi; 01-25-20 at 10:52 AM.

01-25-20, 01:30 PM	#7
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,085 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	again, didn’t changed anything related to nav map ...between V3 and V4! __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

01-25-20, 01:23 PM	#6
dashyr Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 133 Downloads: 183 Uploads: 0	Oh and BTW. Did you change the navigation map? V3 Showed a more precise underwater topography. Might be a bug on my end IDK but the map is very minimalistic. Wich can cause an issue with planning routes. I usually travel over zones where I can dive deep but now I got nothing on the map to help me find those. I'm all in for immersion but some concessions has to be made for a game to be enjoyable. If the change was intended, could you make the old map as an optional addon?

01-25-20, 02:02 PM	#9
dashyr Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 133 Downloads: 183 Uploads: 0	https://imgur.com/L6uSZOH Link to a screenshot of the map. I drawed an approximation of a zone with deeper water over it so your know what I mean. The map gives no indication if certain zones are deeper than other. Is this intended or a bug on my end?