Constitutional reform in Russia announced.

ikalugin · 01-15-20, 09:28 AM

"Chinese hordes" in Russian Far East is largerly a myth.
But the de-population problem is real and is a problem for political (sovereighnity over land) and practical (key industries) reasons.

There is some limited work related migration, but on temporary (tour) basis, the northern parts of China are also being de-populated due to the much the same reasons (old infrastructure, employement problems, climate).

Within the speach (it was towards the end) the really spicy bits were about the reform itself - for example Putin proposed banning people who ever had dual citizenship or foreighn residency from running, to ban people who resided (without residence permit) permanently abroad for 25 years from running. This may affect opposition members as many of they studied or recieved training abroad and/or have residence permits, dual citizenship.

p.s. seems that the translation is not yet complete, it may take a while I guess.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/62582
full version but in Russian

Rockstar · 01-15-20, 09:33 AM

So let me get this straight the entire cabinet is resigning in accordance with Article 117 of the Russian constitution. Which in essence gives Putin absolute power?
“In this context, it is obvious that, as the government, we must provide the president with a capability to make all decisions,” - Medvedev

Wouldnt that be like the U.S. House and Senate resigning so the President can make all the decisions?

ikalugin · 01-15-20, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

So let me get this straight the entire cabinet is resigning in accordance with Article 117 of the Russian constitution. Which in essence gives Putin absolute power?
“In this context, it is obvious that, as the government, we must provide the president with a capability to make all decisions,” - Medvedev

https://www.consultant.ru/document/c...107a505f5ee32/

Quote:

1. Правительство Российской Федерации может подать в отставку, которая принимается или отклоняется Президентом Российской Федерации.

No, it is just that Head of Government (Prime Minister) can submit resignation to President (Head of State) under article 117 part 1.

In this case the reason behind resignation is probably lack of percieved ability of Medvedev and his cabinet to enact the complex reform being discussed. Because Medvedev is a part of the inner circle he is being rotated to another, largerly advisory, role.

In Russian system Government is the body to enact President's decisions (they impliment them), they are not checks on his power (that is the mission of legislative and judicial branches) and do not set broad policy. So this is more like the whole bunch of secretaries resigning because they do not feel confident to be able to enact the big reform.

Jimbuna · 01-15-20, 11:26 AM

Here in the UK it is being perceived by some news sources as a means for Putin to gain far more power over a longer period in time.

ikalugin · 01-15-20, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Here in the UK it is being perceived by some news sources as a means for Putin to gain far more power over a longer period in time.

1) He can't run for Presidential office
2) The reform transfers significant power to the elected Parliament, for example the role to appoint the Government including Prime Minister (another reason why Medvedev&co resigned - there would be a new Government appointed in a new way probably)
3) There is no other branch of the State, especially post reform, that would provide compatible power to super-Presidency created by Yeltsin.

To me it seems like he is doing "I am tired, I am leaving" bit by Yeltsin mixed with the ongoing Kazahstan style reform.

ikalugin · 01-15-20, 12:03 PM

https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/15/kad...ndex.ru%2Fnews

Kadurov temporary transfered his authority.

Mr Quatro · 01-15-20, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Here in the UK it is being perceived by some news sources as a means for Putin to gain far more power over a longer period in time.

President's for life don't retire ... What would Putin do with $70 billion dollars anyway

Net Worth:$70 Billion
Age: 67
Born: October 7, 1952
Country of Origin: Russia
Source of Wealth: Politician/President of Russia
Last Updated: 2020

ikalugin · 01-15-20, 12:53 PM

The wealth figure is based on, well, speculation and makes assumptions regarding who the eventual beneficiary is for a lot of assets.

You may as well use 200bn or any other such figure.

ikalugin · 01-15-20, 01:03 PM

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/62582

Full text has been translated now. The reform is discussed towards the end.

01-15-20, 09:28 AM	#1
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	"Chinese hordes" in Russian Far East is largerly a myth. But the de-population problem is real and is a problem for political (sovereighnity over land) and practical (key industries) reasons. There is some limited work related migration, but on temporary (tour) basis, the northern parts of China are also being de-populated due to the much the same reasons (old infrastructure, employement problems, climate). Within the speach (it was towards the end) the really spicy bits were about the reform itself - for example Putin proposed banning people who ever had dual citizenship or foreighn residency from running, to ban people who resided (without residence permit) permanently abroad for 25 years from running. This may affect opposition members as many of they studied or recieved training abroad and/or have residence permits, dual citizenship. p.s. seems that the translation is not yet complete, it may take a while I guess. http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/62582 full version but in Russian __________________ Grumpy as always.

01-15-20, 11:26 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,818 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Here in the UK it is being perceived by some news sources as a means for Putin to gain far more power over a longer period in time. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-15-20, 12:03 PM	#6
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/15/kad...ndex.ru%2Fnews Kadurov temporary transfered his authority. __________________ Grumpy as always.

01-15-20, 12:53 PM	#8
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	The wealth figure is based on, well, speculation and makes assumptions regarding who the eventual beneficiary is for a lot of assets. You may as well use 200bn or any other such figure. __________________ Grumpy as always.

01-15-20, 01:03 PM	#9
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/62582 Full text has been translated now. The reform is discussed towards the end. __________________ Grumpy as always.

01-15-20, 09:33 AM	#2
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	So let me get this straight the entire cabinet is resigning in accordance with Article 117 of the Russian constitution. Which in essence gives Putin absolute power? “In this context, it is obvious that, as the government, we must provide the president with a capability to make all decisions,” - Medvedev Wouldnt that be like the U.S. House and Senate resigning so the President can make all the decisions?