US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Sorry, all I remember is a picture you posted as a communications tech next to a special truck and thought it was Vietnam. Well I still respect you for hanging in there against all odds.

At least you didn't think it was Korea or WW2. Those guys really are old!

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This made me recall what they in the Swedish law call intent(=Uppsåt)

What was Mr Trump's intent ? Was it to harm an another person politically ?

Was it with malicious intent ?

Or some other reason.

Markus

I think that Trump feels that the Democrats unfairly tried to frame him with the Russian Collusion hoax and he wants to get to the bottom of it and any other illegal hi-jinks they have been up to. Bragging Joe Biden and his son with their history of quid pro quo deals with foreign entities are low hanging fruit, or should be if the Democrats weren't so eager to shield him at all cost, for now anyways. Word here is that his funding has dried up so we'll see how long he lasts.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This made me recall what they in the Swedish law call intent(=Uppsåt)

What was Mr Trump's intent ? Was it to harm an another person politically ?

Was it with malicious intent ?

Or some other reason.

Markus

Speaking of intent, calls for impeachment began almost three years ago in 2017 and its been going on relentlessly ever since. Reminds me of what Gerald Ford wrote in 1970. Which according to his opinion the President really serves at the pleasure of congress not the electorate.

"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

[Onkel Neal]

Poll: Tulsi Gabbard Leads Kamala Harris in Democratic Primary
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ratic-primary/

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

...and vienna (who disdains me)...

On the contrary, I don't disdain you; I've never met you or had other contact with you; all I have to go on is what you post on this thread and that is what it is and I do take exception to some of it, but without disdain of you, personally. I respect your right to have your say and, if needs be, will back up your right to speak; but, I do also reserve my own right to disagree with you and provide my own researched evidence to back up my disagreement; providing actual, factual reinforcement of your views on a more regular basis may be something you may want to consider if you wish to avoid the perceived semblance of other's possible animus...


This article caught my eye:

The Excuses for Trump Just Keep Getting More Pathetic and Laughable Every Day --

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ex...able-every-day







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[mapuc]

A thought on the upcoming election.

If I read between the lines among those of my friends who support Trump, it doesn't matter which candidate the Dem put forward- s/he will be on a suicide mission unable to beat Trump

If I read between the lines among those of my friends who..well not really fancying Mr Trump, it doesn't matter which candidate the Dem put forward s/he will beat Mr Trump.

Markus

[vienna]

Then, there is the third possibility: Trump and his minions will continue to self-destruct as they seem to be doing by their actions and words and Trump will defeat Trump...






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[vienna]

In the event this may have escaped notice, BuzzFeed has succeeded in their FOIA suit and has obtained the release by the DOJ of a very large amount of the notes from the Mueller investigations and has published a first installment of the materials:


The Mueller Report’s Secret Memos --

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...secret-memos-1


Just one more thing for Trump, his minions, and Trumpettes to bitch about...


Here is a direct link to a PDF of the material released by the DOJ to BuzzFeed thus far:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...-302s-FOIA.pdf


I've downloaded the PDF; it makes for some interesting reading...







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[mapuc]

I read a little here and a little there in those two links

Could not really get the grip of it or is it the hang of it.

Hm either way it's your President or your headache

Solve this by impeach him(if he truly have broken some laws otherwise not) or select an another candidate

I presume the Rep will pick another candidate if Trump is impeached and they are doing this whether he is fired(VP takes over) or not = continue as President until Jan 19 2021.

Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I presume the Rep will pick another candidate if Trump is impeached and they are doing this whether he is fired(VP takes over) or not = continue as President until Jan 19 2021.

Markus

Remove Trump from the equation and there will be something other than an election.

[Buddahaid]

Sounds like brown shirts, how noble.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Sounds like brown shirts, how noble.

I think you mean buckskin?
Is that Beto on horseback? LOL

[Buddahaid]

No, it doesn't. It sounds like brown shirts.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

No, it doesn't. It sounds like brown shirts.

Really? I fail to see the connection between patriotic Americans defending their elected president and a gang of nazis known for street fighting and other riotous behavior. If you're looking for behavior more closely resembling the brown shirts look no further than that radical arm of the Democratic party called Antifa.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by August

Really? I fail to see the connection between patriotic Americans defending their elected president and a gang of nazis known for street fighting and other riotous behavior. If you're looking for behavior more closely resembling the brown shirts look no further than that radical arm of the Democratic party called Antifa.

But the impeachment is a constitutional process or is it not? So if Trump doesn't beat the charges, whatever they maybe in the end and thus is removed from office lawfully, it would be fine to start a revolution? Am I missing something here, I mean that's what em2nought suggested with his comments or was it not?

What would that make these "patriots" if they took up arms?

The scenario that the Republicans put up someone else even if Trump beats the charges is highly unlikely, might as well hand the keys to the White House to the Dems in that case.