US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Trump's letter to Erdogan:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHBmdVLW4AIk3IT.jpg

First I thought you were kidding and the letter was a joke.


But it is real...!


A little boy in the body of an old man, playing president. Behaving as a tough guy as he has seen it on TV in some crime movies form his childhood: fist on the table, stomping feet, straight talking, jovial tapping on the shoulder: "Ain't we two tough fellas getting along so nicely?! The world is ours, shake hands - deal! Lets smoke chocolade cigarettes together." Little brain, brain's just for whimps, shooting bullets from the hip, bam-bam-bam-! thats for tough guys, bambam-bam-bam!, talking monkey, that is manly, no, that is serious! That is honest! That is grreat (tm)! Everythign else is FAKE! Is UNFAIR!





Infantile. Simply infantile. Mercilessly revealing how unripe and immature this little boy is.

Thats the friendly way to describe it. There is another way to tell the narration: an old man with clear signs of senile dementia and age-related mawkishness that old people sometimes come up with when reaching the high age, all this combined with a certain choleric temper, inbred megalomania and and a certain kind of weepiness.

Needing to balance all this against each other, it is no wonder that he behaves as ridiculous as he does.

[Skybird]

"In response, Turkish presidential sources said: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin." "


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50080737



Oh look - signs of sanity in Ankara! The only valid thing to do with such a Machwerk, I say.

[Skybird]

The House of Representatives on Wednesday approved a resolution opposing the Trump administration's move to withdraw US forces from Syria. The vote was 354-60 with four members voting present.

--CNN -


354 - 60.

The current seats hold a majority for Democrats of only 234 - 197. This means the majority of Republicans in congress must have voted against the little boy playing president. No wonder he was so pissed that he lambasted Pelosi in frustration.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

"In response, Turkish presidential sources said: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin." "


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50080737



Oh look - signs of sanity in Ankara! The only valid thing to do with such a Machwerk, I say.

I wonder how long it is until one of these leaders decides to wipe his butt with a trump letter....?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I wonder how long it is until one of these leaders decides to wipe his butt with a trump letter....?

We could start a business there, Neal, you and me, and we would get stinking rich. Small endless copies of Trump's letters as toilet paper, selling them on rolls in packs of 6 or 8.

[mapuc]

This is how I see it.

Trump does not master the skill of diplomacy.

I would recommend him to hire a person who does.

Markus

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This is how I see it.

Trump does not master the skill of diplomacy.

I would recommend him to hire a person who does.

Markus

The problem is that Trump does not master the skill of hiring good people either. And in the rare occasion he does, they get fired or resign.

[Skybird]

Not before this evening'S TV news I learned that the letter was not leaked by somebody, but that Trump voluntarily published it in the asusmption of that it would halp him to defend his claim that he had givne no green light to Turkey.






Hopeless. Completely disconnected from reality.

[Bilge_Rat]

from today's Reuters/Ipsos poll:



majority of Independents and Republicans are against impeachment. The rise in the polls for impeachment is all driven by the Dems.

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I wonder how long it is until one of these leaders decides to wipe his butt with a trump letter....?

Didn't Syria do that when they ignored his warning about using poisonous gas and got their air base bombed? Well apparently in this case Erdogan decided to agree to a cease fire when just a few days ago swore he would never entertain such an idea. Funny that.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

from today's Reuters/Ipsos poll:



majority of Independents and Republicans are against impeachment. The rise in the polls for impeachment is all driven by the Dems.

So the party of the president does not want their man being thrown out. Well, it seems today I learned neither something new nor suprising. Isnt every government party usually clinging to power and staying glued to the throne like being "Pattexed?"


The only interesting surprise in those numbers is that category "all adults": a stalemate between supporters and opponents of impeachment, and that the numbers do not change between "all adults" and "registered voters in total" (almost the same stalemate in pc). That shows how wide the rift betwen political camps in civil society is, and to what degree it covers all society: 85% of society takes sides in this, only 15% have no opinion, interest, whatever. That qualifies the issue for the title of being a hot topic, I think.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by August

Didn't Syria do that when they ignored his warning about using poisonous gas and got their air base bombed? Well apparently in this case Erdogan decided to agree to a cease fire when just a few days ago swore he would never entertain such an idea. Funny that.

Not really. Just after Pence made his pronouncement, the Turkish government made clear the 'agreement' was not a full cease fire but, rather a "pause" in operations, meaning the Turks can pretty well start up again anytime they want; yet another case of a Trump "accomplishment"'s hype being far greater than its reality...

It should also be pointed out the US really got very little in this deal and the Turks got pretty much everything they wanted vis-a-vis the Kurds and their territory. If there was a capitulation, it was on the side of the US, under Trump, caving in to Erdogan's wishes; the Kurds are still screwed, the ISIS prisoners will still most likely go free to regroup and fight another day, the security and stability of the region, and, by extension, of the US is highly compromised, and the status of the US as a world leader and power remains diminished. But, hey, what was to be expected from a 'foreign policy' crafted by a petulant Oval Office toddler?...







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[vienna]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

from today's Reuters/Ipsos poll:



majority of Independents and Republicans are against impeachment. The rise in the polls for impeachment is all driven by the Dems.

Hmm, one poll...


How's about an averaging of a lot of polls?...:


Polls show Americans have come to support Trump's impeachment much faster than Nixon's or Clinton’s --

https://www.yahoo.com/news/polls-sho...155418911.html

For the first time, a majority of Americans said this week that they supported the impeachment of President Trump. Not just in one, outlying poll — in an average of all current national polls compiled by the data journalists at FiveThirtyEight.

For Trump this polling milestone comes less than one month after reports first surfaced of a Ukraine whistleblower and roughly three weeks after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the start of a formal impeachment inquiry — meaning that it represents a historical milestone as well.

Trump hasn’t just crossed the 50 percent threshold on impeachment, peaking at 50.3 percent earlier this week. He’s gotten there faster than Richard Nixon — and, for that matter, Bill Clinton, who never got there at all.

The FiveThirtyEight link:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...esident-trump/


...and a link to a spreadsheet of all the polls FiveThirtyEight assembled:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...90&single=true


The bottom line is Trump's support is rapidly eroding and his 'core' really isn't large enough to give him a solid victory in 2020 on its own; losing the favor of Independents, like myself, has been a trend for Trump ever since he took office and it hasn't really gotten any better and Trump (or any other GOP candidate) really, really needs those Independent votes...







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[vienna]

Turkey's authoritarian leader is walking all over the United States thanks to Trump --

https://www.insider.com/turkey-autho...-trump-2019-10







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[Jimbuna]

^ Quite an interesting take on the matter.