US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 505

Buddahaid · 10-01-19, 08:22 PM

This isn't about Hillary and is another deflection from the impeachment inquiry.

It's not about Hillary, or Obama, it's about Trump. Why aren't they discussing Trump instead of harping on Hillary? Poor argument since Hillary isn't a sitting president soliciting a foreign government for help in exchange for favors.

It's a bad argument if you have to refer to Hillary.

Skybird · 10-01-19, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It's a bad argument if you have to refer to Hillary.

To be precise: its no argument valid for the object of the current debate at all. Hillary is not responsible for the deeds of the Donald.

August · 10-01-19, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

To be precise: its no argument valid for the object of the current debate at all. Hillary is not responsible for the deeds of the Donald.

No we are all responsible for our own deeds. Hillary and Obama have so far managed to escape responsibility for theirs. But rest assured that Trump is going to do what he can to see that they and the swamp creatures that tried to tip the 2016 are held to account for it.

August · 10-01-19, 10:33 PM

Hey Breaking News!

The Whistleblower has been unmasked! He is REO Speedwagon singer Kevin Cronin. Seems that he heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another that Trump had been messing around!

Dowly · 10-01-19, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by August

But rest assured that Trump is going to do what he can to see that they and the swamp creatures that tried to tip the 2016 are held to account for it.

Of course he will, August. Of course he will.

eddie · 10-02-19, 03:10 PM

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Of course he will, August. Of course he will.

August · 10-02-19, 04:55 PM

Both of you guys have breathlessly claimed Trumps imminent political demise on this board for three years now and you ain't never been right. This won't be any different.

Hawk66 · 10-03-19, 08:53 AM

That is true, August. As long he has so many supporters, who unconditionally support him regardless of his actions. Who never say the slightest criticism regardless of his actions - as long he is bashing the "right" (or shall I better say left).
That it is a special form of understanding how democracy works, I have to say.
It is one thing to oppose an impeachment politically but it is another to accept the wording and actions of Trump in this circumstance - especially toward this whistle blower - who has acted in accordance with the law and his conscience. And this is not first or the third time Trump reacted on such fundamental pillars of how a democracy is crafted.

After the presidency of Trump, you country will be divided more than ever. It will be more vulnerable by foreign powers for the same reason. And - maybe then the left also has or got "radicalized" enough to present an "left-Trump" candidate - who get elected . And I do not say this with malicious joy. I was and I am still an Atlanticist.

Skybird · 10-03-19, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by August

No we are all responsible for our own deeds. Hillary and Obama have so far managed to escape responsibility for theirs. But rest assured that Trump is going to do what he can to see that they and the swamp creatures that tried to tip the 2016 are held to account for it.

No, an accusation of Trump has nothing to do with Hillary's deeds. Hillary is not responsible for Trump's deeds. Referring to her in a discussion about Trump's misdeeds, is no argument, but an attempt to bypass and distract from the point of a debate on Trump's doings.

You could as well relativise Trump'S misdeeds by referring to John Smith in Charlton City having robbed a store at night and escaped.

Biden, Hillary , who ever, charge them separately if you want. But do not use them to relativise Trump's deeds. For Trump's policy and decision making, Trump is responsible. He is at the top of the heap. The No.1. The formal president, with far reaching authorities that give him more powers than most European state leaders can claim in their constitutional context.

u crank · 10-03-19, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawk66

As long he has so many supporters, who unconditionally support him regardless of his actions. Who never say the slightest criticism regardless of his actions -

What you say is true but would you say that people on the left side of the divide are any different? Do they hold some claim to the moral high ground? Would they back and vote for a candidate regardless of that person's history of corruption? I think we have seen the answer to that question.

My own opinion on this whole impeachment attempt is simple. There are people who do not want the 'deplorables' to have any say in who gets to be president. These people believe that the 'deplorables' aren't enlighten enough to make that decision. They made a mistake once and if given a chance will make that same mistake again. So the chance to make that mistake has to be taken away. That is what it is all about.

The thing is two things can be wrong at the same time. Trump's phone call to the Ukrainian President was highly inappropriate and foolish but almost certainly not an impeachable offence. Former VP Joe Biden and his son's dealings in the Ukraine probably were not illegal but they certainly have the unmistakable stink of corruption.

The end result though is that unless some unknown facts surface that would change the minds of twenty or so GOP Senators Trump will not be removed from office. On the other hand I would say that Joe Biden's political career is over.

mapuc · 10-03-19, 11:31 AM

Yes of course Trump will fight or deny his guilt in this and other cases who have been or will be presented for him(have a feeling this want be the last).

So have former President done and so will future President do-deny or fight it.

Markus

AVGWarhawk · 10-03-19, 12:27 PM

Just another fine mess perpetrated by a president. Much like the past presidents.

What fun!

Skybird · 10-03-19, 02:04 PM

Distraction and deflection continues. Trump now demands China and other nations to probe Bidens.

Effrontery and shamlessness as desperate self-defence. "Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt sich's gänzlich ungeniert." (German proverb. = "Once all reputation is in ruins, living is completely uninhibited.")

That such a skunk can make it to the top of state and even gets applauded by fans for behaving like a sack of garbage, tells everything one needs to know about the state of politics. Totally and completely degenerated.

In comparison, that he also lacks any style, class, education, manners and charms, is just the cream on the top.

What's next? Making a heap of dung the next leader?

Think I better do not ask for a US tourist visa anymore. I might be in the database now at the latest.

u crank · 10-03-19, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Distraction and deflection continues. Trump now demands China and other nations to probe Bidens.

Effrontery and shamlessness as desperate self-defence.

Let's ask a simple question. Do you want to know? Does anyone want to know? This man was the Vice President of the USA for eight years. What he did then and what he does now is not some insignificant thing. If he didn't do anything wrong wouldn't you like to know? If he did do something wrong and is running for the Democrat party's nomination for President wouldn't you like to know?

It amazes me that there is such a lack of curiosity amongst people who want every possible angle of their political opponents investigated but cry like children when the tables are turned. What have they got to hide?

Catfish · 10-03-19, 03:17 PM

^ well he can be tried, but not by foreign accusations, and surely not with the help of foreign politicians.
This is not about left or right. It is about a certain personality and attitude, if described politely. Trump is trying to divert and refocus his whistleblower scandal on Joe Biden. What do you really think of a man like Trump?

@Skybird Regarding visiting the US you should have thought about some eavesdropping agency already ten years ago

You are aware that when Trump really goes down he will be a martyr, and it might even become a civil war with some trigger happy militia?
It may be better to let him do more political damage, than that.

10-01-19, 08:22 PM	#7561
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	This isn't about Hillary and is another deflection from the impeachment inquiry. It's not about Hillary, or Obama, it's about Trump. Why aren't they discussing Trump instead of harping on Hillary? Poor argument since Hillary isn't a sitting president soliciting a foreign government for help in exchange for favors. It's a bad argument if you have to refer to Hillary. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-01-19, 10:33 PM	#7564
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,227 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hey Breaking News! The Whistleblower has been unmasked! He is REO Speedwagon singer Kevin Cronin. Seems that he heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another that Trump had been messing around! __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-02-19, 04:55 PM	#7567
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,227 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Both of you guys have breathlessly claimed Trumps imminent political demise on this board for three years now and you ain't never been right. This won't be any different. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-03-19, 08:53 AM	#7568
Hawk66 Commodore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 609 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	That is true, August. As long he has so many supporters, who unconditionally support him regardless of his actions. Who never say the slightest criticism regardless of his actions - as long he is bashing the "right" (or shall I better say left). That it is a special form of understanding how democracy works, I have to say. It is one thing to oppose an impeachment politically but it is another to accept the wording and actions of Trump in this circumstance - especially toward this whistle blower - who has acted in accordance with the law and his conscience. And this is not first or the third time Trump reacted on such fundamental pillars of how a democracy is crafted. After the presidency of Trump, you country will be divided more than ever. It will be more vulnerable by foreign powers for the same reason. And - maybe then the left also has or got "radicalized" enough to present an "left-Trump" candidate - who get elected . And I do not say this with malicious joy. I was and I am still an Atlanticist. __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

10-03-19, 12:27 PM	#7572
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,293 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Just another fine mess perpetrated by a president. Much like the past presidents. What fun! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-03-19, 11:31 AM	#7571
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,563 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Yes of course Trump will fight or deny his guilt in this and other cases who have been or will be presented for him(have a feeling this want be the last). So have former President done and so will future President do-deny or fight it. Markus

10-03-19, 02:04 PM	#7573
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,716 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Distraction and deflection continues. Trump now demands China and other nations to probe Bidens. Effrontery and shamlessness as desperate self-defence. "Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt sich's gänzlich ungeniert." (German proverb. = "Once all reputation is in ruins, living is completely uninhibited.") That such a skunk can make it to the top of state and even gets applauded by fans for behaving like a sack of garbage, tells everything one needs to know about the state of politics. Totally and completely degenerated. In comparison, that he also lacks any style, class, education, manners and charms, is just the cream on the top. What's next? Making a heap of dung the next leader? Think I better do not ask for a US tourist visa anymore. I might be in the database now at the latest. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 10-03-19 at 02:45 PM.

10-03-19, 03:17 PM	#7575
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,802 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ well he can be tried, but not by foreign accusations, and surely not with the help of foreign politicians. This is not about left or right. It is about a certain personality and attitude, if described politely. Trump is trying to divert and refocus his whistleblower scandal on Joe Biden. What do you really think of a man like Trump? @Skybird Regarding visiting the US you should have thought about some eavesdropping agency already ten years ago You are aware that when Trump really goes down he will be a martyr, and it might even become a civil war with some trigger happy militia? It may be better to let him do more political damage, than that. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.