Eat meat. Or not. Do like you want. That simple.

Skybird · 10-01-19, 03:49 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49877237

This new study takes a vigorous look at the statistics behind claims that "red meat signficiantly increases cancer". It illustrates what I beleive sinc elong, that nutrition studies are very difficult to run and that the vast, the very vast majority of health claims concluded form "new studies" is due to improper, poor and sometimes even statistcially invalid methodology. In the end, you almost never have a nutrition study proving any causal link between cause and effect, you only have reports that explain an observation of things that were observaed simultaneously - not knowing whether they are causally linked or not.And control of interfering variables? Almost never present. Often even impossible to do even if there would be a desire for it.

Few things however are not in doubt. Refined sugar and corn syrup for example are beyond doubt regarding their health hazard level. With salt, fat, oil, carbonhydrates, of various kind, protein, it already gets problematic again. I do not listen to any "new study" on it anymore.

That politcs and ideology, world views and the demand to eat so to do somethign good for ecology/other countries/Gaia, drive strong own interests and dress them as health claims and better food claims, doe snot help, of course. Like with climate, the UN gremia seem to be heavily guilty of this abuse again.

I know an ecotrophologist from university times. she is good in business, but totally pissed, and since two years or longer talked of abandining the job. She is 52 like I am, and now has done so. She said she was sick and tired of the crappy study situation in her branch. Granted, her material situation is such that she can afford to stop her former profession, still she makes me wondering: how many are out there continuing to sell crappy theory and advise just because they need to do so to have an income for themselves?

Reece · 10-01-19, 05:43 AM

Always ate red meat, especially lamb, and at 67 I'm not gonna stop!!

Skybird · 10-01-19, 05:46 AM

"You planet killer...!"

JU_88 · 10-01-19, 05:51 AM

You dont need bacon, just rub some avacado paste on your knees!

STEED · 10-01-19, 05:55 AM

FACT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.....So just enjoy life.

I eat very little meat as I am more of a fish eater but the price of fresh fish is now out my price range, tin tuna is no real substitute for fresh fish.

captainadccdacaptain · 10-01-19, 06:17 AM

I find EVERY excuse to grill meat, in every season. STEED makes a great point: Why spend your life trying to prolong it when you can simply ENJOY it?

Reece · 10-01-19, 06:20 AM

STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!!

STEED · 10-01-19, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!!

I am still going to have tuna and bell peppers and cucumber for my tea tonight.

Skybird · 10-01-19, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

FACT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.....So just enjoy life.

I eat very little meat as I am more of a fish eater but the price of fresh fish is now out my price range, tin tuna is no real substitute for fresh fish.

Tin tuna is not tin tuna, they are not all of the same quality and taste. I just discovered Saupiquet. I looked down on them for years, due to their luxurious prices, but then tried some of theirs, and now have tested all their stuff. Some of it is a rip-off, cheap vegetable and almost no tuna, but some other stuff is extremely nice. Two of their three pasta sauces/oils work miracle and wonder, two of their six "salads" I also like to have, on a bike tour for a break for example. Two of their three bread spreads have displaced my occasional use of tea sausage or liver sausage. The ordinary tuna tin cans by them I would not use, however, they are overpriced, and as said: some of their products are rip-offs, also are not good. But the items that I like by them, I like very much, and thus I pay the price for these. Needs some discovering mentality.

Frozen tuna from the fridge works well, too, and can be had at reasonable prices. i use it far more often for BBQ or in the pan than I prepare a beef steak these days, its cheaper, but has a tough bite.

Reece · 10-01-19, 07:29 AM

Now who doesn't like eating the tails of grilled lamb loin chops? All of a sudden I'm hungry!!

Skybird · 10-01-19, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!!

What fish does not, they all swim in the same oceans.

Microplastic, anyone? Every human baby now has it in its body from birth on, they recently claimed.

Reminds me of this episode form "Northern Exposure", when they recall an event form the past, some friend of theirs working in a fish factory and falling into the machine where the fish was canned. "They had to retrieve hundreds of tins from the stores. I will never forget the funeral - the sight of several hundred tin cans lowered into the grave."

- Wonderful series.

Skybird · 10-01-19, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

Now who doesn't like eating the tails of grilled lamb loin chops? All of a sudden I'm hungry!!

Lamb in mint sauce à la My Style. I use three drops of mint oil, not just the green stuff. With salt potatoes and green beans in a coat of roasted bacon.

My fastening day today.

Every 4 days or so.

Reece · 10-01-19, 07:59 AM

Good on ya, I wish I was that strong, mind you I'm not overweight, thanks for the cooking tip, I might give it a try!

Jimbuna · 10-01-19, 08:13 AM

Simply put....I'm a carnviore.

Jeff-Groves · 10-01-19, 02:18 PM

Aside from shrimp I don't eat those nasty non-air breathing things that live in water.
Now a good chunk of Gator or Alabama ditch bugs are tasty.
Not to mention Rattle Snake.

My favorite is BEEF! The more the better!

10-01-19, 03:49 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Eat meat. Or not. Do like you want. That simple. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49877237 This new study takes a vigorous look at the statistics behind claims that "red meat signficiantly increases cancer". It illustrates what I beleive sinc elong, that nutrition studies are very difficult to run and that the vast, the very vast majority of health claims concluded form "new studies" is due to improper, poor and sometimes even statistcially invalid methodology. In the end, you almost never have a nutrition study proving any causal link between cause and effect, you only have reports that explain an observation of things that were observaed simultaneously - not knowing whether they are causally linked or not.And control of interfering variables? Almost never present. Often even impossible to do even if there would be a desire for it. Few things however are not in doubt. Refined sugar and corn syrup for example are beyond doubt regarding their health hazard level. With salt, fat, oil, carbonhydrates, of various kind, protein, it already gets problematic again. I do not listen to any "new study" on it anymore. That politcs and ideology, world views and the demand to eat so to do somethign good for ecology/other countries/Gaia, drive strong own interests and dress them as health claims and better food claims, doe snot help, of course. Like with climate, the UN gremia seem to be heavily guilty of this abuse again. I know an ecotrophologist from university times. she is good in business, but totally pissed, and since two years or longer talked of abandining the job. She is 52 like I am, and now has done so. She said she was sick and tired of the crappy study situation in her branch. Granted, her material situation is such that she can afford to stop her former profession, still she makes me wondering: how many are out there continuing to sell crappy theory and advise just because they need to do so to have an income for themselves? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-01-19, 05:43 AM	#2
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,764 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Always ate red meat, especially lamb, and at 67 I'm not gonna stop!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

10-01-19, 05:46 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"You planet killer...!" __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-01-19, 05:55 AM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	FACT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.....So just enjoy life. I eat very little meat as I am more of a fish eater but the price of fresh fish is now out my price range, tin tuna is no real substitute for fresh fish. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

10-01-19, 06:20 AM	#7
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,764 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

10-01-19, 05:51 AM	#4
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,812 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	You dont need bacon, just rub some avacado paste on your knees!

10-01-19, 06:17 AM	#6
captainadccdacaptain Helmsman Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Deep southern part of US Posts: 102 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	I find EVERY excuse to grill meat, in every season. STEED makes a great point: Why spend your life trying to prolong it when you can simply ENJOY it?

10-01-19, 07:29 AM	#10
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,764 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Now who doesn't like eating the tails of grilled lamb loin chops? All of a sudden I'm hungry!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

10-01-19, 07:59 AM	#13
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,764 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Good on ya, I wish I was that strong, mind you I'm not overweight, thanks for the cooking tip, I might give it a try! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

10-01-19, 08:13 AM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,818 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Simply put....I'm a carnviore. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-01-19, 02:18 PM	#15
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Aside from shrimp I don't eat those nasty non-air breathing things that live in water. Now a good chunk of Gator or Alabama ditch bugs are tasty. Not to mention Rattle Snake. My favorite is BEEF! The more the better!