The Revelation of Greta: no heavens behind the heavens

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Ripping up capitalism will not solve the problem, right. Not that i think that anyone could or wanted, for that matter.
Also hard to tackle her since she is not a typical politician.

Imho she is no hypocrite since she honestly believes what she says, right or wrong. I really think she herself has this opinion, no need to put words into her by parents or teachers. She is just too young not to pose questions she thinks are vital, instead of resigning and giving up.

I would point out that if you criticise, you would be attacked for doing so, with allegations of being biggoted against disabled/young/female people, being a heretic for not subscribing to the most radical climate change related beliefs possible, even if you only criticised her statements, not her character or person and made a reasoned, sourced argument.

[Catfish]

^ True.
On the other side there a lot of people already despising or looking down upon challenged persons (for the lack of a better word) by pure gut feeling, and are searching for arguments that sound reasonable (to serve their already existing point of view).

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ True.
On the other side there a lot of people already despising or looking down upon challenged persons (for the lack of a better word) by pure gut feeling, and are searching for arguments that sound reasonable (to serve their already existing point of view).

It doesn't matter why those arguments are made or who makes them, as long as they are reasonable and well sourced.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...orwell/590638/
I would remind you about the section on the left wing double think in that article.


You should be wary of judging the argument on the politics of it's proponent or worse still on the nature of said proponent.
As such, while I do agree with skybird that her psycological condition does contribute to her views, I tend to go after her views rather than after her condition. The problem I see is that should I oppose her views in a debate, I would be accused of being a man of poor character, ie a biggot.

[JU_88]

Agree that outright attacking some one like Greta is ridiculous.
She is very low hanging fruit.
Best to keep focused on what the Adults (those actually in power) are doing.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It doesn't matter why those arguments are made or who makes them, as long as they are reasonable and well sourced. […]

Theoretically, yes. However you often can expect a certain opinion or politics from persons with a certain political background. E.g. you will seldom find a political left-winger support a company's decision to cut loans and fire Workers, even if there may be reasons for the latter that not necessarilay have to do with greed, but economical reasons to save the company as a whole.
What i mean is a lot of people choose sides and then begin to search for reasons and arguments supporting their pre-fixed opinion, left and right.

But yes i did get your point. Also "The crucial issue was not that Trump might abolish democracy but that Americans had put him in a position to try. Unfreedom today is voluntary. It comes from the bottom up."

And a good TheAtlantic article it is, though i do not entirely agree with the author in all points; thanks for posting!