LuftWolf and Amizaur's Realism Mod Poll #11: Nuke Speeds

[goldorak]

I agree with you on the akula II issue.
Its a more modern sub than the 688(i) and this should reflect at least in top speed.
If its possibile I would go like this : top speed akula I < top speed 688(i) < top speed akula II.

[Amizaur]

688/688i - 32kts
Akula -35kts
Seawolf - 37kts

[Deadeye313]

guys, when not being chased by a torpedo, how fast do you actually go? Is it even worth it?

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Deadeye313

guys, when not being chased by a torpedo, how fast do you actually go? Is it even worth it?

Its about realism. :p
I can't stand that in the game the russians subs are inferior even to the 688(i).
Its okay for sonar equipment because we know that american subs were really superior to russian ones in this sector.
But as far as top speed is concerned well no.
The akula II was designed after the 688(i) and is improved over the american sub.
Some sources (Cold War Submarines written by Polmar) even have charts that show that modern akula II class submarines were at least as quiet as the 688i and I don't think this is modelled in the game (vanilla or lwami mod).

[FERdeBOER]

As the russians can't match the american technology, specially on sonar, they allways built submarines faster, stronger, and capable of going deeper than their american counterparts.

guys, when not being chased by a torpedo, how fast do you actually go? Is it even worth it?

2 more knots on some situations are VITAL.

[LoBlo]

I'ld like to see some actual sources and/or technical discussion supporting those proposed speeds.

All the sources I've read suggest that the Akula's speed currently is the one that's over estimated. A 35 knots top speed for the Akula are usually amongst the high end of speed estimates that I've come across with the low end estimates at 28 knots submerged. Also considering the fact that its displacement is estimated in the 10kton to 12kton range and its hydrodynamic shaping deviates more from the ideal with an oval rather than spherical cross section and its placement of its sail structure in closer proximetry to the aft tapering of the hull (increasing the drag effect of the sail for reasons beyond the scope of the discussion).

Overall I think 35 knots for the Akula is actually a bit generous, but anyhow there's no real point of fiddling speeds that are purely guestimates with other speeds that are also purely guestimates, might as well leave as is unless their's some unusually convincing source that supporting something else. However, if a speed is to be toned down seems like the Akula's top speed would be the more logical choice to modify.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by LoBlo

Overall I think 35 knots for the Akula is actually a bit generous, but anyhow there's no real point of fiddling speeds that are purely guestimates with other speeds that are also purely guestimates, might as well leave as is unless their's some unusually convincing source that supporting something else. However, if a speed is to be toned down seems like the Akula's top speed would be the more logical choice to modify.

Well no, I don't find it right to have the Akula to be inferior in every sense to the 688(i) when its clear the the sub was on a technological level between the 688i and the seawolf.
The akula is not the equivalent of the 688i as it is not the equivalent of the seawolf but is a way in between. And this is not considered in the game.

As far as proofs go : give a proof that the seawolf top speed is 37 knots, or that its sonar capabilities are those described in the database ?

I hate seeing as there is always a prejudice of the russian war machine, as everything they did was in every way inferior to western technology.
Well guess what ?
It isn't like that.
Did you know that the russians had devised a rocket engine in the late 1960's that would be unmatched in its performace for ever 30 years with respect to any kind of rocket engine the west had engineered. ?
Tough to believe eh ? Yeah, american aerospace engineers had the same nightmare, but in the end they recognised the russian superiority insofar as to use the russian project underlicense for american rockets (to send satellites into space).

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Well no, I don't find it right to have the Akula to be inferior in every sense to the 688(i) when its clear the the sub was on a technological level between the 688i and the seawolf.
The akula is not the equivalent of the 688i as it is not the equivalent of the seawolf but is a way in between.

And your basing this on what?
And note the Akula is not "inferior in every sense" to the 688i. It has more firepower, better weapons with a ton more variety to choose from, deeper diving depth, and the AkulaII is thought to be quieter (at least at slow speeds) Making the Akula faster to the 688i would actually make the Akula superior to the 688i at every level except sonar. What are you talking about...

As far as proofs go : give a proof that the seawolf top speed is 37 knots, or that its sonar capabilities are those described in the database ?

exactly...give "proof" that the Akula's speed is faster or the LA's speed is slower . On a side note, who asked for *proof*? No one. Supporting reasoning and evidence are another thing from "proof".

I hate seeing as there is always a prejudice of the russian war machine, as everything they did was in every way inferior to western technology.
Well guess what ?
It isn't like that.

Some things the russians built better, some things the americans built better.