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Old 07-11-2019, 05:11 AM   #1
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radar Iranian IRGC boats tried, failed to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf

https://www.foxnews.com/world/irania...-official-says

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ive Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gunboats tried to seize a British oil tanker in the Persian Gulf Wednesday but backed off after a British warship approached, a senior U.S. defense official told Fox News.

The British warship was said to have been less than 5 miles behind the tanker but soon intercepted the Iranian boats and threatened to open fire. A manned U.S. reconnaissance aircraft was above as well, the official said, adding that Iranian forces left without opening fire.
Yeah, the Royal Navy doesn't mess around.
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Yeah, the Royal Navy doesn't mess around.
Sure, but how many RN vessels exist on the planet any more, how many of them are at sea at once - and how many tankers pass through critical waters per day?

The Iranians probably will now work to improve their timing.
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Sure, but how many RN vessels exist on the planet any more, how many of them are at sea at once - and how many tankers pass through critical waters per day?

The Iranians probably will now work to improve their timing.
The Royal Navy has a frigate, four minehunters and a Royal Fleet Auxiliary support ship already stationed in a permanent Naval Support Facility in the region, at Mina Salman in Bahrain.

I should imagine at least one more frigate will be despatched to assist HMS Montrose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48946051
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You certainly understood the underlying problem I pointed at. Too low numbers in general.

Maybe have missile teams on tankers in that region from now on. A missile shot on a tanker may cauzse a whole and oil spilling out and fire. And it would get the Iranias a war shipped to them without further costs. But a missile with a suitable HE or fragmentation warhead hitting a speed boat makes short process with it.
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I am not sure if that would be enough to run all the right tankers without bundling them into convoys. If the story is true ofc.
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Give the west a few days to organise themselves but if a tanker is attacked and set ablaze I think it would be western airpower and not navl that would bring about a heavy price to be paid.
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And as we know airpower by itself is not enough.


Not that we would protest - it would drive oil prices and arms sales up.
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I wonder though what Iran (if it actually was Iran) is trying to achieve here.
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I wonder though what Iran (if it actually was Iran) is trying to achieve here.
Wie du mir, so ich dir. The Brits seized an Iranian tanker at Gribraltar recently. Alkso, they want to demonstrate to the US how vulnerable tankers are - and how capable their forces.



Air drones were my first guess, too, but if the Iranians adapt their attacking technique for boarding tankers, plan their timing better and get aboard, drones in the air would not change the fact that then the tanker is under Iranian control as long as they do not meet armed superior resistence - aboard. And then the hostage negotiation game begins.
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If Iran can't trade in oil, why should it's neighbours?
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I wonder though what Iran (if it actually was Iran) is trying to achieve here.
Just emphasized the obvious
"How can you know the Iranians placed the mines?"
"We were there."
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If Iran can't trade in oil, why should it's neighbours?
Because

1. they are not part of Iran, and

2. are not being sanctioned.
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Because

1. they are not part of Iran, and

2. are not being sanctioned.
I was pondering the question from Iranian position. Who do not believe that they are being rightfully sanctioned.
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I was pondering the question from Iranian position. Who do not believe that they are being rightfully sanctioned.



The U.S hardly has to justify it's actions to a regime like Iran. The U.S is merely using it's economic powers as it sees fit and the U.S is within it's rights to deny access to it's financial institutions. Actually, I'm sorry that Iran didn't attack the British tanker. Iran would have payed a terrible price.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:18 PM   #15
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cool WWIII PSYCHOLOGICAL AND FISCAL WARFARE

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The Royal Navy has a frigate, four minehunters and a Royal Fleet Auxiliary support ship already stationed in a permanent Naval Support Facility in the region, at Mina Salman in Bahrain.

I should imagine at least one more frigate will be despatched to assist HMS Montrose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48946051
WHAT WITH THE COMMANDEERED IRANIAN TANKER AT GIBRALTAR AND THE SIMILAR DETAINMENT OF THE NORTH KOREAN VESSEL 'WISE HONEST' NOW IN AMERICAN SAMOA AND MASSIVE SANCTIONS NOW IN PLACE AGAINST MALFEASORS IRAN AND FATBOY....WWIII IS WELL UNDERWAY AS WE MAKE THE 'HAVE NOTS' HAVE EVEN LESS. NUTHING WOULD PLEASE ME MORE THAN TO RESURRECT A RUST BUCKET TANKER AND ARM IT WITH AN ARRAY PHALANX GUNS HIDDEN LIKE THE OLD WWI Q SHIPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship (Attacks on merchant ships by pirates originating on the Somalia coast have brought suggestions from some security experts that Q-ships be used again to tempt pirates into attacking a well-defended ship.) AND LET THE IRANIANS APPROACH AT THEIR PERIL. RULE 1: NO STOPPIN' FOR SURVIVORS ALSO WE SHOULD POST FALSE NEWS THAT NEW KORAN TRANSLATION REVEALS THAT U DON'T GET 72 VIRGINS IN PARADISE IF U DIE ON JIHAD ....BY DROWNING-THAT SHOULD REDUCE JIHADIST ENTHUSIASM CONSIDERABLY! (PSYCHOLGICAL WARFARE??!!) PLAN B CALLS FOR A COMPLETE BLOCKADE OF HORMUZ BY SINKING ALA SCAPA FLOW STYLE BLOCK-SHIPS AND TURNING THE PERSIAN GULF INTO A PERMANENT LAKE; THEY' PAY TREMENDOUS FEE TO SHIP THRU OUR PIPELINES...WEIRDLY RENDERING UNTO IRAN WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY ATTEMPTING IN THE STRAIT. <PIPELINE ACROSS SAUDI ARABIA
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