Gulf of Oman suspected torpedo attack/escalating hostilities

Catfish · 06-15-19, 11:12 AM

Our good friends the Saudis, hmm. Has there been any answer to the Kashoggi murder by bin Salman?

Good article imho:
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ha...rrative-592552

mapuc · 06-15-19, 12:26 PM

OK USA is accusing Iran

Lets look at it in a geopolitical point-of-view

Which countries in the area would gain most in a war between USA and Iran ?

Markus

Platapus · 06-16-19, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

OK USA is accusing Iran

Lets look at it in a geopolitical point-of-view

Which countries in the area would gain most in a war between USA and Iran ?

Markus

In the analytical world we have a Latin Phrase Cui Bono

Which means "who benefits". When evaluating these types of issues, this is one of the first questions we ask ourselves.

1. Who benefits by linking the Iranian government to these incidents?

2. Who is pushing the narrative that the Iranian government is behind these incidents?

Is there a connection between 1 and 2?

Mr Quatro · 06-16-19, 09:38 AM

Don't forget how long it took to find out what happen to the missing reporter that entered the SA embassy in Turkey that fatefull day. I'm not saying SA did it, but that's how truth works in that part of the world.

Spy agencies that listen to private conversations already know who did it, SOS has pointed his finger at Iran ... Iran is suspected and those that doubt have already been leaning on Iran's siide.

Rockstar · 06-16-19, 10:20 AM

Who doesn't want Japan involved or mending ties with the U.S. and Iran? A few years ago the New York times ran a headline "For China's Global Ambitions, Iran Is at the Center of Everything.'

targeting oil flow, a jap tanker during a japanese diplomatic visit. China may have orhestrated and sent a message to Russia, Japan and U.S. Stay away from Iran

mapuc · 06-16-19, 05:43 PM

There is another candidate who haven't been mentioned.

I myself don't believe they are behind, even though they would have the biggest benefit.

They can take on Iran them self if they wanted to, but if they can get a big friend to do the job for them, even better.

The Candidate is Israel.

Markus

Edit:
Forgot something. I'm with Skybird. The best candidate beside Iran is Saudi-Arabia. If it's due to oil-prices I don't know.
I think it has to do with the civil war in Yemen

End of Edit

Jimbuna · 06-18-19, 04:53 AM

Quote:

The US military will send an additional 1,000 troops to the Middle East as tensions build with Iran.

Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan said the deployment was in response to what he described as "hostile behaviour" by Iranian forces.

The US Navy also shared new images it says link Iran to attacks last week on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.

Washington has accused Iran of blowing holes in the vessels with mines. Iran has denied the allegations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48671319

Totally expected under the present circumstances I suppose.

Skybird · 06-18-19, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

There is another candidate who haven't been mentioned.

I myself don't believe they are behind, even though they would have the biggest benefit.

They can take on Iran them self if they wanted to, but if they can get a big friend to do the job for them, even better.

The Candidate is Israel.

Markus

Edit:
Forgot something. I'm with Skybird. The best candidate beside Iran is Saudi-Arabia. If it's due to oil-prices I don't know.
I think it has to do with the civil war in Yemen

End of Edit

I doubt Israel would consider such acing. The risk is too high. If it gets unveilled to globla public that Israel is behind it, then the brown stuff hits the fan and its not as if Israel already has so many friends. It would be diplomatic armageddon.

em2nought · 06-15-19, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Our good friends the Saudis, hmm. Has there been any answer to the Kashoggi murder by bin Salman?

CNN should send Jim Acosta, and MSNBC should send Rachel Maddow to investigate.

Catfish · 06-15-19, 01:36 PM

Would remove some problems for the two i guess

Skybird · 06-15-19, 02:51 PM

For his usual bigmouthed standards, the Donald acts and talks remarkably reluctant.

Could be a sign that they know it was not Iran. Second most likely candidate then would be Saudi Arabia. A rise in oil price would be in the Saudi interest, as well as trying to lure the US back into the region in strength.

em2nought · 06-19-19, 11:08 AM

Let's cut to the chase! Who does AOC consider to be the culprits?

Schroeder · 06-19-19, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reuters

the mines bore a striking resemblance to Iranian ones.

Well, the people attacking a certain German radio station also bore a striking resemblance to Polish troops....
That's the problem here.... Who can we trust in this? I would say no one.

Mr Quatro · 06-19-19, 02:35 PM

I can't figure out how a mine can get above the waterline yet, plus why would Iran send a patrol craft to remove a mine?

They want to resume nuclear fuel stock piles above the limit preset by the now no longer abiding in treaty. Looks like pre-planned to do just that.

06-15-19, 11:12 AM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,820 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Our good friends the Saudis, hmm. Has there been any answer to the Kashoggi murder by bin Salman? Good article imho: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ha...rrative-592552 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-16-19, 09:38 AM	#4
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Don't forget how long it took to find out what happen to the missing reporter that entered the SA embassy in Turkey that fatefull day. I'm not saying SA did it, but that's how truth works in that part of the world. Spy agencies that listen to private conversations already know who did it, SOS has pointed his finger at Iran ... Iran is suspected and those that doubt have already been leaning on Iran's siide. __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

06-16-19, 10:20 AM	#5
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Who doesn't want Japan involved or mending ties with the U.S. and Iran? A few years ago the New York times ran a headline "For China's Global Ambitions, Iran Is at the Center of Everything.' targeting oil flow, a jap tanker during a japanese diplomatic visit. China may have orhestrated and sent a message to Russia, Japan and U.S. Stay away from Iran Last edited by Rockstar; 06-16-19 at 05:04 PM.

06-16-19, 05:43 PM	#6
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,624 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	There is another candidate who haven't been mentioned. I myself don't believe they are behind, even though they would have the biggest benefit. They can take on Iran them self if they wanted to, but if they can get a big friend to do the job for them, even better. The Candidate is Israel. Markus Edit: Forgot something. I'm with Skybird. The best candidate beside Iran is Saudi-Arabia. If it's due to oil-prices I don't know. I think it has to do with the civil war in Yemen End of Edit Last edited by mapuc; 06-16-19 at 05:58 PM.

06-15-19, 01:36 PM	#10
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,820 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Would remove some problems for the two i guess __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-15-19, 12:26 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,624 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	OK USA is accusing Iran Lets look at it in a geopolitical point-of-view Which countries in the area would gain most in a war between USA and Iran ? Markus

06-15-19, 02:51 PM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,796 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	For his usual bigmouthed standards, the Donald acts and talks remarkably reluctant. Could be a sign that they know it was not Iran. Second most likely candidate then would be Saudi Arabia. A rise in oil price would be in the Saudi interest, as well as trying to lure the US back into the region in strength. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-19-19, 11:08 AM	#12
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Let's cut to the chase! Who does AOC consider to be the culprits? __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage!

06-19-19, 02:35 PM	#14
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can't figure out how a mine can get above the waterline yet, plus why would Iran send a patrol craft to remove a mine? They want to resume nuclear fuel stock piles above the limit preset by the now no longer abiding in treaty. Looks like pre-planned to do just that. __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..