USS Jimmy Carter

Sea Demon · 06-03-06, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Sink the bastard........Jimmy Carter pardoned "Slick Willy" while he was still a FELON!!

Ahem. Rename the Bastid. No need to dispose of such a great submarine when you could just call her something else. I totally agree, Jimmah' definitely doesn't deserve the honor.

Edited to add: I second the call for pics.

Subnuts · 06-03-06, 08:18 PM

I can't believe they named a submarine after a former submariner!

TLAM Strike · 06-03-06, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Subnuts

I can't believe they named a submarine after a former submariner!

Ironicly isn't that what Destroyers and Frigates are for? :hmm:

Yahoshua · 06-03-06, 09:32 PM

Ok ok, so maybe I'm a little extreme and certifiably insane...re-name the boat.

I say we name it the USSN Benton. (just pulled a name out of thin air)

Subnuts · 06-03-06, 09:48 PM

I don't know about you guys, but if I was onboard an enemy ship and I knew I was being hunted by a sub named after history's greatest monster, I'd arm the scuttling charges and die like a man.

DeepSix · 06-03-06, 09:55 PM

Pictures please!

TLAM Strike · 06-03-06, 09:52 PM

Face it people any former US President that served in the US Military in the last 50 years needs to have a ship named after him. He may have made some poor choices as an elected official but he volunteered to defend his nation at one point (and volunteered for one of the most dangorous duties in the USN), and he won the Nobel Prize and spends his remaining days building homes for the poor. I think that makes up for four years of mediocre leadership. They named SSN 23 for the man not the office.

Think of it this way if you had to invite one living former (or current) US President over for a weekend BBQ who would you pick? (... ya know that would make a good poll...) :hmm:

August · 06-03-06, 10:00 PM

Hey you guys lay off JC. Jimmy Carter was a good decent man who, as president, was overwhelmed by the events of the times. Whatever you may say about his abilities as president, his honor, courage and patriotism are beyond question. Besides, one only has to look at the candidates in the 76 election to see that, for all his faults, Carter was indeed the best choice at the time.

As for "pardoning Slick Willy", Yahoshua, what the heck are you talking about? Slick Willy is the nick name for Bill Clinton who served as president 12 years after Carter left office. Carter could not have pardoned him, nor did he pardon "Tricky Dick" Nixon. That little act was performed by Gerald Ford, Carters predecessor and GOP opponent in the 76 election.

TLAM Strike · 06-03-06, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by August

As for "pardoning Slick Willy", Yahoshua, what the heck are you talking about? Slick Willy is the nick name for Bill Clinton who served as president 12 years after Carter left office. Carter could not have pardoned him, nor did he pardon "Tricky Dick" Nixon. That little act was performed by Gerald Ford, Carters predecessor and GOP opponent in the 76 election.

he is talking about the Pardoning of Vietnam Draft Dodgers.

August · 06-03-06, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

he is talking about the Pardoning of Vietnam Draft Dodgers.

Really? How do you get that from "slick willy"?

Sea Demon · 06-04-06, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Hey you guys lay off JC. Jimmy Carter was a good decent man who, as president, was overwhelmed by the events of the times.

Nope. Sorry, no can do. I call em' like I see em'. It's no wonder why the country rejected him by such a large margin after his only four years in office. Carter? decent? Nah. Today, Jimmy Carter undermines U.S. foreign policy and the nation at large on an every day basis. This guy continually trivializes the mission of US service men and women and directly helps insurgent enemies by repeating fallacious propaganda as fact, from sources such as Al-Jazeera. Jimmy Carter helped the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il acquire light-water nuclear reactors if they promised not to make nuclear weapons. This fool claimed he was "friendship-building". Please don't tell me you think he's smart. Jimmy basically got hoodwinked. And Jimmy's ignorance brought even more instability to that region and may have directly jeapardized our entire national security. Definitely the Japanese and their national security. Jimmy Carter makes friends with the likes of Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, the late Yasser Arafat, etc. And have you heard some of the stuff he says when he's in their presence?!?!?!

Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal with absolutely no benefit to the USA. This waterway was a key national security asset. And because of Carter...our ability to shift key equipment and naval assets rapidly from one ocean to the other has been greatly diminished. That hurts our national security priorities.

And if you only care about domestic issues, and not about national security, don't you just miss the 21% inflation, high unemployment, gas lines, and incredibly low growth rates? Misery Index anyone? For those who may remember?

Because of these things, Mr. Carter does not deserve a submarine named after him. Actually if you want to name a sub after him you should call it the USS Appeaser for the way he likes to deal with terrorists and human rights abusing dictators.

XabbaRus · 06-04-06, 04:18 AM

Interesting.

Hang on didn't GWB dodge the draft?

Seems Carter wanted peace not war and went about it in a different way. Teh stuff I have read about him seems to me he is a decent man.

Umfuld · 06-04-06, 04:20 AM

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I call em' like I see em'.

That way of thinking works better with your eyes actually open. But whatever you gotta tell yourself.

LoBlo · 06-04-06, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal with absolutely no benefit to the USA. This waterway was a key national security asset. And because of Carter...our ability to shift key equipment and naval assets rapidly from one ocean to the other has been greatly diminished. That hurts our national security priorities.

Not really, the size of current US Navy ships outgrew the Canal decades ago. It was useful during early stages of the navy when ships had smaller displacements but whenever sizes and dimensions started to grow toward their current sizes the waterway quickly became insufficient iirc Its one of the reasons why the US now sustains sperate Atlantic and Pacific fleets, iirc

I'll never slam on someone that's won a Nobel Peace Prize. You won't accomplish 1/10th of what he's accomplished in your lifetime.

06-03-06, 09:55 PM	#6
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06-03-06, 09:52 PM	#7
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Face it people any former US President that served in the US Military in the last 50 years needs to have a ship named after him. He may have made some poor choices as an elected official but he volunteered to defend his nation at one point (and volunteered for one of the most dangorous duties in the USN), and he won the Nobel Prize and spends his remaining days building homes for the poor. I think that makes up for four years of mediocre leadership. They named SSN 23 for the man not the office. Think of it this way if you had to invite one living former (or current) US President over for a weekend BBQ who would you pick? (... ya know that would make a good poll...) :hmm: __________________

06-03-06, 10:00 PM	#8
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,206 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hey you guys lay off JC. Jimmy Carter was a good decent man who, as president, was overwhelmed by the events of the times. Whatever you may say about his abilities as president, his honor, courage and patriotism are beyond question. Besides, one only has to look at the candidates in the 76 election to see that, for all his faults, Carter was indeed the best choice at the time. As for "pardoning Slick Willy", Yahoshua, what the heck are you talking about? Slick Willy is the nick name for Bill Clinton who served as president 12 years after Carter left office. Carter could not have pardoned him, nor did he pardon "Tricky Dick" Nixon. That little act was performed by Gerald Ford, Carters predecessor and GOP opponent in the 76 election. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

06-04-06, 04:18 AM	#12
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Interesting. Hang on didn't GWB dodge the draft? Seems Carter wanted peace not war and went about it in a different way. Teh stuff I have read about him seems to me he is a decent man. __________________

06-03-06, 08:18 PM	#2
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I can't believe they named a submarine after a former submariner!

06-03-06, 09:32 PM	#4
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok ok, so maybe I'm a little extreme and certifiably insane...re-name the boat. I say we name it the USSN Benton. (just pulled a name out of thin air)

06-03-06, 09:48 PM	#5
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I don't know about you guys, but if I was onboard an enemy ship and I knew I was being hunted by a sub named after history's greatest monster, I'd arm the scuttling charges and die like a man.