Canada dodged a bullet - Page 2

DeepSix · 06-03-06, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scandium

9/11 was before the Iraq war. And Iraq was not connected to it. And, lastly, this is not Al Qaeda (according to the Toronto Star). Beyond that, the reason looks - in part - to be one of convenience: most of those arrested were Canadian citizens or residents so I suppose attacking the country they were already in served whatever statement they were hoping to make.

Why obfuscate with this? What constitutes terrorism is not defined by whether or not Iraq was involved, nor by a particular sequence of events, nor by the subtlest of distinctions between "Al Qaeda" and "Al Qaeda-inspired," nor by the nationality or residency of the accused. Absent from your apparent list of terrorism pre-requisites is the three tons of ANFO evidence.

scandium · 06-03-06, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSix

Why obfuscate with this? What constitutes terrorism is not defined by whether or not Iraq was involved, nor by a particular sequence of events, nor by the subtlest of distinctions between "Al Qaeda" and "Al Qaeda-inspired," nor by the nationality or residency of the accused. Absent from your apparent list of terrorism pre-requisites is the three tons of ANFO evidence.

Interesting... what up is down world do you live in where clarification is obfuscation?

Konovalov · 06-03-06, 12:43 PM

It appears like another big win for our intelligence services thankfully. We have to be lucky all the time. The bastards however only have to be lucky once. I really find it a waste of time trying to figure out within 24 hours of the event who it was. That is something that should be subject to analysis further down the track once the infomation becomes available.

August · 06-03-06, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scandium

The current war. Usually people refer to the one that was 15 years ago as "The Gulf War."

Up until the beginning of the second one at which point its become known as "The First Gulf War"

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Perhaps, though that is speculation at this point. And, as I pointed out, the suspects arrested are not Al Qaeda.

A rose by any other name still smells.

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I haven't read anything linking this group, or their motives, to Iran.

I did not say they were but Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

DeepSix · 06-03-06, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scandium

Interesting... what up is down world do you live in where clarification is obfuscation?

Well, what up-is-down world do you live in if you think what you posted clarified anything? Again - what of the three tons of ammonium nitrate? Or is that also part of the up-is-down world?

DeepSix · 06-03-06, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by August

...A rose by any other name still smells....

Precisely.

TteFAboB · 06-03-06, 12:59 PM

Way to go.

Canada is less Big Brotherized than the UK, it's possible to catch them without implanting micro-chips into every citizen, as some in the UK would like.

Terrorism is no excuse for totalitarianism.

Just a little phone tap here, a little e-mail reading there.

scandium · 06-03-06, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSix

Well, what up-is-down world do you live in if you think what you posted clarified anything? Again - what of the three tons of ammonium nitrate? Or is that also part of the up-is-down world?

The significance of whether or not it is Al Qaeda lies in the fact that Al Qaeda is a very big organization with a tendency to launch coordinated attacks on multiple targets. With this much explosive, if there's an Al-Qaeda connection I would be concerned that it might only be the first prong of whatever they had planned. If its not Al-Qaeda then its likely a smaller group and there's a greater likelihood that this is the end of it.

Aside from that, I was offering another tidbit of information from the Toronto Star that Forbes (and Neal) may not have been aware of when he posted.

SUBMAN1 · 06-03-06, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...ror/index.html

Now why would AlQueda target a country that sat out the Iraq war?

Are you nuts? You can answer this one yourself. Al Qeada doesn't care if your country is in the Iraq war or not. You are still an infidel and if you won't convert to Islam, you must die. It doesn't matter who you are, you must die! This is how the Koran is written and Al Qaeda takes it litterally. Its purely a religious thing.

Say they are going to blow up this or that because we attacked Iraq is just political manuvering. They are going to blow up this or that 'anyway' regardless just because you are not an Islamic country and that is a threat to Islam in their eyes.

I watched them video tape Canadian Ferries emergency exits long before Iraq even happened. Canada has been on this hitlist for many years. Their time is coming, especially with how open Canada is with their borders and how clueless they are as to the whereabouts of people after they enter their borders.

-S

scandium · 06-03-06, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I watched them video tape Canadian Ferries emergency exits long before Iraq even happened. Canada has been on this hitlist for many years. Their time is coming, especially with how open Canada is with their borders and how clueless they are as to the whereabouts of people after they enter their borders.

-S

Are you suggesting we need to militarize our border with the US? Actually, I don't even know what you're suggesting. I don't think you can effectively surround a modern country with a midieval style wall, however, particularly in a country like Canada which shares such a long border with a peaceful nieghbour. Nor do I agree with your suggestion that we track visitors as though they were pets. And it seems, in this case, that it was good old fashioned police work and not walls or electronic dog tags that prevented the attack.

August · 06-03-06, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scandium

The significance of whether or not it is Al Qaeda lies in the fact that Al Qaeda is a very big organization with a tendency to launch coordinated attacks on multiple targets.

Al Quaeda is also an organization that is divided into independantly operating cells. Coordinated attacks on multiple targets is not a given by any means.

Onkel Neal · 06-03-06, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Are you nuts? You can answer this one yourself. Al Qeada doesn't care if your country is in the Iraq war or not. You are still an infidel and if you won't convert to Islam, you must die. It doesn't matter who you are, you must die! This is how the Koran is written and Al Qaeda takes it litterally. Its purely a religious thing.

Say they are going to blow up this or that because we attacked Iraq is just political manuvering. They are going to blow up this or that 'anyway' regardless just because you are not an Islamic country and that is a threat to Islam in their eyes.

I watched them video tape Canadian Ferries emergency exits long before Iraq even happened. Canada has been on this hitlist for many years. Their time is coming, especially with how open Canada is with their borders and how clueless they are as to the whereabouts of people after they enter their borders.

-S

I suppose.

Now CNN has this image on their lead news story:

Lol, look! They grabbed some flashlights, duct tape, and a BBQ grill

in an IKEA bag.

TLAM Strike · 06-03-06, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I suppose.

Now CNN has this image on their lead news story:

Lol, look! They grabbed some flashlights, duct tape, and a BBQ grill

in an IKEA bag.

You laugh but MacGyver could take out a battleship with that bag.

Konovalov · 06-03-06, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

You laugh but MacGyver could take out a battleship with that bag.

:rotfl: :rotfl: Gee I miss that show.

Kapitan_Phillips · 06-03-06, 05:59 PM

Score for the Canucks. That oughta throw a spanner in the works for them thar terrorists.

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Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It appears like another big win for our intelligence services thankfully. We have to be lucky all the time. The bastards however only have to be lucky once. I really find it a waste of time trying to figure out within 24 hours of the event who it was. That is something that should be subject to analysis further down the track once the infomation becomes available. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter) Last edited by Konovalov; 06-03-06 at 12:46 PM.

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TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Way to go. Canada is less Big Brotherized than the UK, it's possible to catch them without implanting micro-chips into every citizen, as some in the UK would like. Terrorism is no excuse for totalitarianism. Just a little phone tap here, a little e-mail reading there. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

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Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Score for the Canucks. That oughta throw a spanner in the works for them thar terrorists. __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.