Venezuela sliding into anarchy

[Rockstar]

I do believe it was the Venezuelan National Assembly, not the U.S., which declared Guaido president. The list of countries supporting that decision continues to grow. If Russia wants to spend the resources to support Maduro, go for it. But I think it would be a losing battle to do so.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I do believe it was the Venezuelan National Assembly, not the U.S., which declared Guaido president. The list of countries supporting that decision continues to grow. If Russia wants to spend the resources to support Maduro, go for it. But I think it would be a losing battle to do so.

Well, if you believe that they had the legitimate authority to do so, sure.


The point I was making was that should US be stuck in a local conflict in Venezuela for the next 15 years, should Brazil suddenly be in need for weapons we can sell them, well, you know how we would feel about it.


A little nudge here and there with advisors, a little buisness or two not being bothered by the authorities for working there for profit can't really harm us.

[mapuc]

I think I have mentioned it before.

If I was Maduro I would ask Mr. Putin to send some "Military advisor" to his country.

I would be a little nervous about the possibility USA intervene my country, ´cause I know my own military would be no match them.

By inviting Russian military, the chance of an intervention of my country would be low.

I know my imagination have run wild.

Markus

[ikalugin]

We have already sent some inspection teams to accertain what is actually happening with his forces, in addition to routine stuff related to their previous arms purchases.


I doubt there would be any major operation.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

We have already sent some inspection teams to accertain what is actually happening with his forces

The sad part of this new liberal democrat cold war brought on by the fact that Russia is predominately "old white men who aren't communist anymore" is probably that if the USA had one last chance at really successful nation and ally building, helping Russia out some was probably it.


A strong Russian Republic, would have been a nice ally to have. Emphasis on "Republic".

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by em2nought

The sad part of this new liberal democrat cold war brought on by the fact that Russia is predominately "old white men who aren't communist anymore" is probably that if the USA had one last chance at really successful nation and ally building, helping Russia out some was probably it.


A strong Russian Republic, would have been a nice ally to have. Emphasis on "Republic".

It's just a chess game to Russia (spelled Putin)

Venezuela
US Politics
Syrian conflict
Africa
Artic
Bombers flying close to San Francisco
Fighter jets buzzing USN ships

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

It's just a chess game to Russia (spelled Putin)

Venezuela
US Politics
Syrian conflict
Africa
Artic
Bombers flying close to San Francisco
Fighter jets buzzing USN ships

Do I need to mention US operations such as flying strategic bombers out of UK and into the Baltics?

[Rockstar]

Considering we and others in the global community recognize the Venezuelan National Assembly constitutional authority I think we're prepared to go the distance. Not wanting to seem as though I under estimate Russian will and perseverance as it does very good job at throwing its weight around in its own geopolitical sphere. Contrary to what our own media has been spewing since 2016 Russia just isn't the world power it once was and it really can't afford to start a proxy war in my back yard.

[vienna]

Your backyards in Venezuela? Damn, that must make gardening a bit of a bitch...










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[Skybird]

The volume and quality of the Russian military engagement in Venezuela varies widely, according to the media you listen to. It ranges rom "just some advisors" to "several thousand combat troops." Between these two descriptions, everything seems possible to be the truth.

Russia hardly plans to fight a hard war over there, but it wants to keep a foot in the door and wants to stir unrest and destabilization - right because it is the US backyard. Being an itching point that the US cannot scratch - thats what it is about. Also, Russia has made quite some financial investments in Venezuela.

Anyway, I do not care for their interests - the economic dilettante Maduro has completed the task begun by the other dilettante Chavez - to ruin the country completely and annihilate what was left of its economy. He must be replaced, in any way, and whether Putin likes that or not, must not matter. Problem is that the military leadership benefits directly from supporting the Maduro regime, the generals are quite corrupt and private financial interests are what rules their loyalty. The US is not so much liked in South America, it is probably best advise to recommend self moderation else relations to other SA countries may worsten as well. A military campaign by the US I would only consider if Russia goes into that direction as well - but then in overwhelming strength and decisevely. I dont think anyone wants that - not in Washington, and not in Moscow.