New studiy shows CO2 bilance of e-cars is worse than that of Diesel cars

[Dowly]

The cleaner energy production becomes, the cleaner e-cars become.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The cleaner energy production becomes, the cleaner e-cars become.

Except the fact that they run on huge batteries that'll become waste when their lifespan is done for. A forseeable problem for the enviroment since we probably dump it on some forsaken third world's country junkyard out of sight, out of mind.

Also the resources to build batteries are limited like fossil fuels so there's that problem.

I don't believe that Battery powered transportation is the future, I think it's just shifting the problem rather then solving it.

[Rockstar]

Someone say copper? Rio Tinto (RIO) and Turquoise Hill Resource (TRQ) are busy gearing up to start meeting world copper demands at the Oyu Tolgoi copper mine in Mongolia. Sooner they start diggn' the sooner I start making mo'money.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The cleaner energy production becomes, the cleaner e-cars become.

Logically yes. However, besides the CO2 byproduct of manufacturing batteries, etc the increase of EV requiring charging also increases additional CO2 from the electrical stations providing the energy for said charging. Here in the US many cites still use coal to generate electricity. Maryland uses coal for the city of Baltimore and surrounding counties. Contributing are dams that generate electricity. There is also a nuclear plant. EV is certainly is not the answer all but is a part of an overall scheme of reducing pollution. I say this because eventually the engineers will solve a great many problems generated by fossil fuels. For decades the internal combustion engine has gone from a cloud of unburnt black smoke and oil mixture from the tailpipe to basically making water at the tailpipe.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The cleaner energy production becomes, the cleaner e-cars become.

Not their production, not with currently available batteries.



However, the outlook in battery research is two split. Every couple of months a new breakthorugh gets claimed, swinc eyears, and then doe snot mae´terialise, often for even frauduklent background reasons. In this light it has to be taken with care that sdeverla new battery technologies are hinted at that should allow mucz greater storage and faster charging, while not using Lithium, but silicium, and other quite ordinary materials.


The high energy demand for producing the cars, and namely aluminium and steel, will remain. And that use of small quanities of toxic, critical ingredient sprobbaly will stay as well. These will be needed to learn recycling them better.


Which makes thes ecars even more expensive to buy in the next future, I predict. All that research has to be paid for. Too push premature mass production of an out´dated tehcnology of highly quesiutonable perspective today, imo is irresponsible, and a waste of money.



The instability of the powergrid is not due to privatiozation, but due to insufficient base supply levels by prducers of renewables. Wind and sun in German are mutually exclusive for the most: the mroe sun you have over the day, less wind, and vice versa. The socalled "Netzauslastungsreserve" moe and more often had to be called up and could not compensate for the3 deficitary energy production in Germany, so additional power contigents had to be bought from neighbouring nations. This is necessary becasue there could be seriosu damages to the gridworek infrastructre if certain min imum power levels due to lacking supply or too high demand do not get met. n this case powerplants able to be switched on and off fast without needing days opr weeks to prepare them, are needed. And even these the Greens and the climate activists want to get rid off. Germany is wanting to deindustrialise itself. We shall be a happy green place of hobbits. And please, no dragons for pets.



There is some website in German that lists day by day the exact numbers on how and how much power gets produced, day by day, and descrbing the weather. When I first found it, it was quite revealing. Collapse with pre.announcement. I see if I find it again.



This is becoming dangerous. The impoort of power from "dirty2 and unwanted sources like nucear bocks and dirty coal power plants, has climbed over the past years. The German envruionmentalism- paradoxically leads to a growth in these sources in other countries. Also, the specific mechnaism of the legal and the subvention scheme in German reversed the usual link between production and costs: that the more mass production of something there is, the cheaper the individual item or quantity gets. The more renewable energy gets produced in germany - the more expensive it gets priced. That is absurd, a perverting of elemental market principles. Well, planned-economy illusions,. nuff said. They cannot even master building an airport anymore. But they plan the future of the world...?

[Rockin Robbins]

Don't forget that the higher energy density gets in new-fangled batteries the more consequential the flamey stuff gets when things go wrong. These fires produce their own oxygen and will burn full blast under water. The combustion byproducts of battery fires are also mucho nasty.

Safe and very high energy density batteries are a one or the other proposition right now, and for the foreseeable future. Present electric automobiles are relatively safe with proper handling and charging. One production or consumer mistake can change that in an instant. Remember the exploding laptops? Multiply that by a thousand for potential harm.

As far as sheer driving quality goes, electric is a kick in the pants. Crack the throttle and instantly your motor is at full torque, blowing away any internal combustion car short of a Formula 1 race car. Maintenance costs should be much lower. The lack of noise is amazing. If we can come up with a high drain lithium based battery good for more than three years of life now, we'll be golden. And we need a lot better battery stability.