First ever image of a black hole revealed

skidman · 04-10-19, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

https://twitter.com/ehtelescope/stat...64692802019328

And surprise surprise, it looks like a black hole.

bstanko6 · 04-10-19, 02:53 PM

Since we can only view things from our little, minuscule, insignificant perspective in this over godly large universe, there is way too much information to seek to justify any answers of what black holes are, or were, or where.

So I just don’t believe it is a black hole, or if they exist.

Skybird · 04-10-19, 04:05 PM

In the end, nothing what we see, hear, taste, feel, is like what our senses communicate it as to the brain, wich turns the photon storm on the retina into an electrons storm inside the neural sponge inside what we consider to be a.) "our" b.) "heads".

As Paul Watzlawick once put it so remarkably nice: "Die Wirklichkeit wird von uns nicht ge-funden, sondern er-funden." (Reality does not get discovered but invented by us). Its all a dance of ever-changing temporary structures of - well, of whatever it is. Usually we put in the word "energy" here as a joker.

The brilliance of the image of that black hole maybe not so much lies in what it tells a black hole is, but what it tells it is not.

And keep in mind that it were radio telescopes that got networking together here. They do not provide a "visual-optical" image that compares to that of an optical telescope. In a way, it is an illustration of abstract data, systematically constructed and not fully subjective like that of a painting artist, still: a visualising model of something. Like many interstellar photoghraphies are artifical combinations of data from various different kinds of telescopes and their according wavelengths as well. They visual output format is constructed, not objectively observed.

Considering how very different one and the same tiny place in the universe may look to different life forms like bats with ultrasonic orientation, mammals with eyes, blind animals with good ears, tiny insects with a completely different perception of time contexts and time passing than a human, I wonder how much more there is around us everywhere that exist parallel to us maybe right now, and we just are unable to perceive the other, and recognise the others' existence. Elves, anyone?

The universe is a strange place. The mere fact that something exists at all instead of just nothing being there, is strange. But maybe only when yto make sense of it from inside the contexts of this universe, and no other possible one with different natural laws, may it be real, or just a not materialised potential.

We all are at the same time part of the same one-ness, but create our own individual representation of it that we then believe to live in. I believe since many years now that the key to exploring and understanding the outer space is - to understand our inner space. Any maybe we will find in the end that both are one and the same.

Reece · 04-10-19, 07:03 PM

^ if that is Earth where is the sun and other planets? Most are much bigger!!

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Originally Posted by skidman

And surprise surprise, it looks like a black hole.

I thought it looked like a donut!! Mmmm, yum!!

ET2SN · 04-11-19, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

^ if that is Earth where is the sun and other planets? Most are much bigger!!

I thought it looked like a donut!! Mmmm, yum!!

Space is a pretty big place. Like, a LOT bigger than the pacific ocean.

When you get down to it, statistically speaking, we don't exist.

Jimbuna · 04-11-19, 06:08 AM

The black hole or more commonly referred to in the UK as Brexit.

Reece · 04-11-19, 07:10 AM

I was thinking of something else, but I better not elaborate!

Mr Quatro · 04-11-19, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

I was thinking of something else, but I better not elaborate!

You dirty old man

Commander Wallace · 04-11-19, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

I was thinking of something else, but I better not elaborate!

STEED · 04-12-19, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The black hole or more commonly referred to in the UK as Brexit.

I want the bloody EU to disappear into it...Hello Mr Black Hole I got £20 for you to do a little job for me.

On a more serious note not bad but we need a much better picture.

THE_MASK · 04-12-19, 04:10 AM

Everything that is pulled into the singularity has to go somewhere doesnt it . Does the singularity get bigger or does the matter that makes up the singularity have mass and no mass at the same time ? or does the matter become just space (the blackness) . Does the event horizon get bigger over time ? These are questions i need to know .

Skybird · 04-12-19, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sober

Everything that is pulled into the singularity has to go somewhere doesnt it . Does the singularity get bigger or does the matter that makes up the singularity have mass and no mass at the same time ? or does the matter become just space (the blackness) . Does the event horizon get bigger over time ? These are questions i need to know .

The mass does not seize to exist, it accumulates inst5ead. So the gravity pull of the black hole grows stronger, I think. The picture they made, is not a photo of the hole itself, becasue sinc enothign escapes form a blakc hole, you cannbot catch up any emitting patrtciles, waves, whatever from it. Its like with "seeing" an insivisble man. We do not see the invisible man, but we can see the shadow he casts on the wall.

They said that the data on their harddrives had severla petabytes. Loads and loads of harddrives, several hundred kilograms in total weight. From this data, the images were constructed. Done four times, by four different teams. All teams' final results were not too different form each other, but different they were, which shows that these images are not "objective" visual photographies of somethign, but are artificial creations, thus I called them "illustrations". It is a data-based illustration of a black hole's "shadow" that its invisible presence casts on the matter and space around it.

Mr Quatro · 04-12-19, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

They said that the data on their harddrives had severla petabytes. Loads and loads of harddrives, several hundred kilograms in total weight. From this data, the images were constructed. Done four times, by four different teams. All teams' final results were not too different form each other, but different they were, which shows that these images are not "objective" visual photographies of somethign, but are artificial creations, thus I called them "illustrations". It is a data-based illustration of a black hole's "shadow" that its invisible presence casts on the matter and space around it.

Sky speaks the truth even the colors are computer generated based on the temperture and then the yellows and the reds are added in. I saw a series of screens from the other contributing data gathering space experts and they were not all perfect like the one in the OP ... More questions than answers, but that is a good thing for todays youth to help then get involved in space science.

Can you imagine the amount of math it took to get a space craft with the ability to take these images of a black hole to the point in time that it is in right now?

Dowly · 04-14-19, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Can you imagine the amount of math it took to get a space craft with the ability to take these images of a black hole to the point in time that it is in right now?

None?

04-10-19, 04:05 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In the end, nothing what we see, hear, taste, feel, is like what our senses communicate it as to the brain, wich turns the photon storm on the retina into an electrons storm inside the neural sponge inside what we consider to be a.) "our" b.) "heads". As Paul Watzlawick once put it so remarkably nice: "Die Wirklichkeit wird von uns nicht ge-funden, sondern er-funden." (Reality does not get discovered but invented by us). Its all a dance of ever-changing temporary structures of - well, of whatever it is. Usually we put in the word "energy" here as a joker. The brilliance of the image of that black hole maybe not so much lies in what it tells a black hole is, but what it tells it is not. And keep in mind that it were radio telescopes that got networking together here. They do not provide a "visual-optical" image that compares to that of an optical telescope. In a way, it is an illustration of abstract data, systematically constructed and not fully subjective like that of a painting artist, still: a visualising model of something. Like many interstellar photoghraphies are artifical combinations of data from various different kinds of telescopes and their according wavelengths as well. They visual output format is constructed, not objectively observed. Considering how very different one and the same tiny place in the universe may look to different life forms like bats with ultrasonic orientation, mammals with eyes, blind animals with good ears, tiny insects with a completely different perception of time contexts and time passing than a human, I wonder how much more there is around us everywhere that exist parallel to us maybe right now, and we just are unable to perceive the other, and recognise the others' existence. Elves, anyone? The universe is a strange place. The mere fact that something exists at all instead of just nothing being there, is strange. But maybe only when yto make sense of it from inside the contexts of this universe, and no other possible one with different natural laws, may it be real, or just a not materialised potential. We all are at the same time part of the same one-ness, but create our own individual representation of it that we then believe to live in. I believe since many years now that the key to exploring and understanding the outer space is - to understand our inner space. Any maybe we will find in the end that both are one and the same. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-10-19 at 04:23 PM.

04-11-19, 06:08 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The black hole or more commonly referred to in the UK as Brexit. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,696 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	I was thinking of something else, but I better not elaborate! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-12-19, 04:10 AM	#11
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Everything that is pulled into the singularity has to go somewhere doesnt it . Does the singularity get bigger or does the matter that makes up the singularity have mass and no mass at the same time ? or does the matter become just space (the blackness) . Does the event horizon get bigger over time ? These are questions i need to know . Last edited by THE_MASK; 04-12-19 at 04:22 AM.

04-10-19, 02:53 PM	#2
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	Since we can only view things from our little, minuscule, insignificant perspective in this over godly large universe, there is way too much information to seek to justify any answers of what black holes are, or were, or where. So I just don’t believe it is a black hole, or if they exist.