Australia finalises biggest military deal ever

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Makes far more sense but at the end of the day, Australia don't exactly have an outstanding record regarding submarines and there technology.

I was thinking about the French who will do the brain work. They have no practicla experience from the nuclear Barracuda in service, but already do a new theoretical design based on this brandnew and I think still not commissioned boat. That is what I call "leaving one step out". This is one of the two main reasons why I predict a steep climb of costs. The other reaosn of course is that such projects always systematically get nice-washed andf glossed over when costs get projected.


Lets bet. I say the total program in the end will cost 70% more than they now say. Minimum. We meet again in 2050 and then see who gets the pot.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Lets bet. I say the total program in the end will cost 70% more than they now say. Minimum. We meet again in 2050 and then see who gets the pot.

Are you likely to live that long?

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I was thinking about the French who will do the brain work. They have no practicla experience from the nuclear Barracuda in service, but already do a new theoretical design based on this brandnew and I think still not commissioned boat. That is what I call "leaving one step out". This is one of the two main reasons why I predict a steep climb of costs. The other reaosn of course is that such projects always systematically get nice-washed andf glossed over when costs get projected.


Lets bet. I say the total program in the end will cost 70% more than they now say. Minimum. We meet again in 2050 and then see who gets the pot.

Sky! We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Could it be that the Australian Navy wants these reported to be (12) SSK submarines to really be (6) nuclear SSN"S? Just the stroke of a pen and a little wisdom with the first Dolphin not even out yet ... Gives France a reason to build more, but SSN would probably have to be French built ... bad for homeland pride.

I hope they change their minds for SSN's ... India is awfully close by and they have SSN's.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Sky! We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Could it be that the Australian Navy wants these reported to be (12) SSK submarines to really be (6) nuclear SSN"S? Just the stroke of a pen and a little wisdom with the first Dolphin not even out yet ... Gives France a reason to build more, but SSN would probably have to be French built ... bad for homeland pride.

That would be a stunt, wouldn't it be.

I hope they change their minds for SSN's ... India is awfully close by and they have SSN's.

The Indians are not the ones pirate-raiding new land in the south Chinese Sea and establishing a network of logistic strongholds aloing their Silfroad 2.0 project that quickly could be turned into military bases. I think the Chinese are Australia's much bigger concern. The concern of everybody in the region. India - may be a natural ally instead. They get encircled by the Chinese from all sides at land, if you followed the news of the past years.



Be on guard against China, they seem to roll up the whole region. Form alliance with India, Japan, South Korea. Thats the only thing that makes sense. Keep the US interested in the region, and seriously so. Europe, britain can do nothing to come to your rescue, if need arrives. The Brits will have both their hands full already with just keeping their supercarriers afloat in peacetime (imo a way too big project for this shadow of its former self the RN has been turned into), and France and Italy will not send their navel assets into the Far East. At best one or two European submarines will stroll by.

[Georg Lassen]

Australia, Canada and New Zealand should be teaming up with Britain that is now free from the shackles of EU and do joint builds for their Navies and defense in general.


Does not guarantee sensible or economical procurement but would make it a realistic possibility.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Lets bet. I say the total program in the end will cost 70% more than they now say. Minimum. We meet again in 2050 and then see who gets the pot.

I shouldn't imagine I'll still be around then

[Skybird]

Me neither. I accept advance payment, however.