Did he hate them or did he use them ?

mapuc · 02-03-19, 12:59 PM

yesterday late evening I saw an episode on Viasat History.

It was about the Jews and the Holocaust.

In the beginning of the program a man sitting in a armchair an historian saying to the camera.

Hitler hated the Jews and he told about his life during world war 1 after this war until he moved to Munich and meet people from this nazi parti.

When he said those words "Hitler hated the Jews"

This made me wonder

"Did he hated them or did he use them, by exploiting the problems of the society, that were in Germany at that time to gain support from ordinary people."
(I just can't get this right)

From what I have learned the hatred against the Jews goes far, far back, The earliest I have read about situation where Jews was blamed was in the 800th century in The kingdom of the Franks

Markus

August · 02-03-19, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

This made me wonder

"Did he hated them or did he use them, by exploiting the problems of the society, that were in Germany at that time to gain support from ordinary people."
(I just can't get this right)

Well can't it be both? After all if you're going to make a people a scapegoat for your societies problems it probably helps to justify it to yourself if you already don't like them.

Dowly · 02-03-19, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

From what I have learned the hatred against the Jews goes far, far back, The earliest I have read about situation where Jews was blamed was in the 800th century in The kingdom of the Franks

There's been animosity towards Jews for over 2000 years.

Jeff-Groves · 02-03-19, 01:17 PM

I heard they killed Jesus.
Pretty sure it was a FaceBook thing I saw that on.

Right now in the U.S.A.?
If your a Republican you HATE Democrats and everything is their fault.
(Just reverse the statement above for the other view)

So someone is always the bad guy. Gotta have a bad guy to be the Good Guy!

Sailor Steve · 02-03-19, 01:21 PM

August makes a good point. As for the hatred, I'd recommend reading Mein Kampf. He blames them for ruining Germany, and the animosity certainly seems genuine.

Dowly's point is also very true.

Catfish · 02-03-19, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I heard they [the jews] killed Jesus.
Pretty sure it was a FaceBook thing I saw that on.

[...]

Of course, it was Judah who betrayed Jesus with his kiss. The killing was done by the romans though.

Jeff-Groves · 02-03-19, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Of course, it was Judah who betrayed Jesus with his kiss. The killing was done by the romans though.

Now your just blending fact with perceived historical prejudice.

Haters gonna hate ya know?

Catfish · 02-03-19, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

[...] Haters gonna hate ya know?

I know

Sailor Steve · 02-03-19, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Of course, it was Judah who betrayed Jesus with his kiss. The killing was done by the romans though.

On the other hand the argument goes that the Romans didn't care one way or the other, and the Sanhedrin wanted him dead but were prohibited by Roman law from carrying out executions.

Just sayin'.

Catfish · 02-03-19, 03:05 PM

^ imagine what happened if Jesus would emerge today, in Israel.

mapuc · 02-03-19, 03:14 PM

I stand corrected.

The correct words should have been.

He did not only hate them, he also toke advantage of the problems in the society where the Jews was blamed by the Germans for having lost WWI and other problems.

I know that the Jews have been haunted and hated for more than 2000 years.

What I meant was that Hitler wasn't the first person who used the Jews and or the Jewish society for the problem his country was in.
And the earliest I can remember and have read was from this period 800th century(trying to remember exact year)and if it was in The kingdom of the Franks.

Markus

Platapus · 02-03-19, 03:36 PM

A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else.

Jeff-Groves · 02-03-19, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else.

Your right!
Marcus and Sailor Steve are clouding the issue and causing problems.

Sailor Steve · 02-03-19, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else.

James Madison said much the same thing.

So did Hermann Goering.

Jimbuna · 02-04-19, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

August makes a good point. As for the hatred, I'd recommend reading Mein Kampf. He blames them for ruining Germany, and the animosity certainly seems genuine.

Dowly's point is also very true.

02-03-19, 12:59 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Did he hate them or did he use them ? yesterday late evening I saw an episode on Viasat History. It was about the Jews and the Holocaust. In the beginning of the program a man sitting in a armchair an historian saying to the camera. Hitler hated the Jews and he told about his life during world war 1 after this war until he moved to Munich and meet people from this nazi parti. When he said those words "Hitler hated the Jews" This made me wonder "Did he hated them or did he use them, by exploiting the problems of the society, that were in Germany at that time to gain support from ordinary people." (I just can't get this right) From what I have learned the hatred against the Jews goes far, far back, The earliest I have read about situation where Jews was blamed was in the 800th century in The kingdom of the Franks Markus

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	August makes a good point. As for the hatred, I'd recommend reading Mein Kampf. He blames them for ruining Germany, and the animosity certainly seems genuine. Dowly's point is also very true. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,767 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ imagine what happened if Jesus would emerge today, in Israel. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,375 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I heard they killed Jesus. Pretty sure it was a FaceBook thing I saw that on. Right now in the U.S.A.? If your a Republican you HATE Democrats and everything is their fault. (Just reverse the statement above for the other view) So someone is always the bad guy. Gotta have a bad guy to be the Good Guy!

02-03-19, 03:14 PM	#11
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I stand corrected. The correct words should have been. He did not only hate them, he also toke advantage of the problems in the society where the Jews was blamed by the Germans for having lost WWI and other problems. I know that the Jews have been haunted and hated for more than 2000 years. What I meant was that Hitler wasn't the first person who used the Jews and or the Jewish society for the problem his country was in. And the earliest I can remember and have read was from this period 800th century(trying to remember exact year)and if it was in The kingdom of the Franks. Markus