US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

Originally Posted by u crank

Ditto with the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd. That is why I find it totally unnecessary to criticize the current occupant of the WH. I wouldn't want to get run over just crossing the street.

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Well, that's what happens when there are so few people who can in any way defend Trump; seems to be an endangered species, the Trumpettes, and steadily dwindling...

Originally Posted by u crank

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I don't recall saying that it did. ...

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...and I didn't say you did. It seems to be a ploy of yours to respond to comments by implying you were misquoted when nothing of the kind happened. If I want to criticize or rebut something you actually said, rest assured I will post the quote in question. There is also another ploy you seem to favor where, if the word "you" is used in a generic sense, you attempt to make it seem the generic use was intended as a personal application towards yourself. Believe me, if someone says "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" the person so saying is neither urging you to be an equine escort nor to commenting on your skills in equine refreshment...

Originally Posted by u crank

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But you will have to admit she has some power. What is going on in Washington right now kinda says that she does. She leads one of the chambers of the United States Congress. Most people would consider that a powerful position albeit different than the Presidency. Considering the fact that the House can bring articles of impeachment against the President I see it as a very powerful position. Congress can do things the President cannot and they can also stop him from doing things. Your description makes it sound like she is just collecting a paycheck.

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Oh, I never said she doesn't have power; "I don't recall saying" that she didn't...


Meh. The House can bring Articles of Impeachment (really kind of scares you, doesn't it) as a unit, but Pelosi can't bring an impeachment as an individual; she can ask for a vote of the House, but, on her own, she has as much authority on that matter as any other House member. The House Speaker is pretty much a manager; the office mainly entails running herd over the day to day functions of the House as a whole while trying to advance the agenda of their party. Regardless of who is the Speaker, they still need to gather the votes to get what they want done, a task that, over recent years, has got harder and harder given internal party conflicts...

Your interpretation of my description is just that; your interpretation. "I don't recall saying" that she was just collecting a paycheck...

Originally Posted by u crank

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Frankly I think you are dodging. If you don't want to criticize Pelosi because she is a Democrat just say so. I'll understand. I'm an understanding kinda guy.

Again, just your interpretation, nothing more. I don't really care if Pelosi is a Dem anymore than it matters that Paul Ryan was GOP. I'm not at all a fan of Pelosi. The only reason she got the Speakership back is because she's a DEM rainmaker: she has a knack for raising very large sums for the DEM party and they were to afraid of losing those sources to stand up to her...

I don't have any party affiliations. I actually liked Paul Ryan and thought well of him and feel it is a shame he was caught up in the no-win situation he was dealt when Trump got in; its a further shame the GOP lost one of its better representatives when Ryan retired; I didn't always agree with him, but I respected his views and appreciated how the rock/hard-place situation was forced on him; remember, he didn't really want the job, but the GOP didn't have anyone else with credibility or gravitas to take the job. You know a party is in bad shape when they have to go nd beg some one to take what is usually considered to be a prestigious position. I was actually surprised he didn't quit earlier given the mess the House GOP was and still is...

As far as dodging is concerned, I have said everything in my posts straight and open, only filtering my temptation to engage in rather more 'descriptive' language. I say what I believe, free from partisan strictures or the need to try to justify others mistakes or wrongdoings. I will point out, when there seems to be a paucity of fact or lop-sided presentation of poli-gibberish, that there are another viewpoints and there are verifiable truths those who cannot bear to admit they are supporting a tissue of lies would rather not be revealed...

I don't dodge. But I would point out there are those who, rather than actually answering a question or refutation choose instead to play the dodge game of "Well, what about the Clintons/Obamas/DEMs, etc.". I say Trump is a well-documented liar, a well documented sleazy businessman, and a piss poor excuse for a president...

I now await your deflections and dodges. I have come to expect it; but don't worry: "I'll understand. I'm an understanding kinda guy."











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[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Were not requesting anything vienna ... we just wonder what you think of the other anti-Trumpers ... Those two on the news all the time hate him and say they represent America.

I disagree they don't represent my views

You want to know what I think of anti-Trumpers? My God, have you lot tapped out and already run out of ammunition? Its a pitiful thing when you've got to go begging for ammo from others. Well, you lot have dug your own hole...

Your views are your views and mine are mine. I am under no obligation to answer for what others say or do and their acts are their own responsibility. Responsibility. Good word that, and a good concept. Pity Trump and his minions and his Trumpettes have no knowledge of it...

Oh, and I don't do requests...









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[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

I'm not at all a fan of Pelosi. The only reason she got the Speakership back is because she's a DEM rainmaker: she has a knack for raising very large sums for the DEM party and they were to afraid of losing those sources to stand up to her..

There, that wasn't so hard now was it. Thank you...I think.

I don't have any party affiliations.

Neither do I.

As far as dodging is concerned, I have said everything in my posts straight and open, only filtering my temptation to engage in rather more 'descriptive' language.

Well....you do live in Hollywood don't you.

I say what I believe, free from partisan strictures or the need to try to justify others mistakes or wrongdoings. I will point out, when there seems to be a paucity of fact or lop-sided presentation of poli-gibberish, that there are another viewpoints and there are verifiable truths those who cannot bear to admit they are supporting a tissue of lies would rather not be revealed...

That is a nice sentiment but anybody on any side of any political argument or affiliation could and do say the same things. Political opinions are at their best usually somewhat partisan and at their worst hysterical. I think America will survive the Trump administration just fine. After all (and at the risk of being accused of whataboutism), it survived eight years of the Obama administration didn't it.

I've asked this question before and it went unanswered. Why is Donald Trump president? I'm no expert but I don't believe for a minute it was racism, Russian hacking or the likability of the other candidates in the primary or presidential election. People who refuse to recognize a palpable dissatisfaction amongst the electorate will make this same mistake again. Just looking at the list of potential Democrat prospects sends a shiver down my spine and makes my head ache. The poverty of ideas is staggering. The current trend to get to the Left of everybody else is a disaster in the making. The idea that a candidate's race and gender is on the table is suicide. It's gonna be entertaining.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by u crank

There, that wasn't so hard now was it. Thank you...I think.

I'm not ready to let this light weight on other anti-Trumps people go yet (see the smiley vienna)

Originally Posted by u crank

I've asked this question before and it went unanswered. Why is Donald Trump president? I'm no expert but I don't believe for a minute it was racism, Russian hacking or the likability of the other candidates in the primary or presidential election.

Lots of other people wondered too and the polls said that the men and women that voted for Trump were mostly worried/concerned about the picks for the next Supreme Court would be in the hands of Hillary Clinton.

[Buddahaid]

And now we and the world are saddled with this charlatan named Trump. I'm now actually hoping he declares an emergency so we can end this farcical presidency as soon as possible. Maybe we could get a more rational person like Charlie Sheen in the oval office.

[August]

I think the Democrats are being extremely stupid by refusing to deal. They could be using Trumps desire for a wall to get all kinds of things that they want in return for a relatively tiny amount of money for border fencing. It really isn't a lot of money being asked for but I guess their hatred of Trump has blinded them to the possibilities. Fools. I hope it backfires on them and I think it just might. Nearly all of the big Dems, including Schumer, are on record advocating the very same border walls that they are now calling immoral, and if they think that hypocrisy is going to be lost on the American people they are idiots.

Against the Dems (in some cases videotaped) flip flop will be stacked an increasing number of Americans who are harmed and killed by illegal aliens. What happens when their survivors and their supporters organize and start protesting? Hey maybe they could take a page from the Dems own anti-Kavanaugh playbook and start confronting them about it in public? Seeing Pelosi or Feinstein or Warren get hounded out of a restaurant might be fun to watch for the pure karmic irony of it if nothing else.

It is simple common sense that defending a perimeter is made a lot easier by using physical barriers than trying to do it without them. The Dems are going to have an increasingly difficult time defending their position against the obvious because you cannot claim to be pro border security but be anti physical barrier without having your sincerity questioned.

[Buddahaid]

Perhaps, but I still don't think building the Maginot line type wall he wants is the best solution to border security and I won't support it. You can call it hating Trump if it makes you feel better, but I don't hate him, I just think he's unqualified for the job and proves it daily.

[em2nought]

It must be mighty inconvenient for the democrats when twenty-one people get butchered just south of the border.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/21-dea...artel-violence

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Perhaps, but I still don't think building the Maginot line type wall he wants is the best solution to border security and I won't support it.

So what is the solution? Is there a solution? And more importantly are there people who do not want a solution?

[Jimbuna]

In the meantime the US partial government shutdown becomes the longest ever and a great many people are in need of money...

Trump says one day he will declare a national emergency then shortly thereafter he won't.....but he still may yet.

I'd like to see him make a decision one way or the other or as is often said here in the UK, pee or get off the pot.

What a mess

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by u crank

So what is the solution? Is there a solution? And more importantly are there people who do not want a solution?

1. Fixing our antiquated visa accounting procedure would be a good start

2. Making an investment to increase the handling and prosecuting of people who either enter illegally or stay illegally

3. Increase the penalties and increase the prosecution of US employers who employ illegal aliens in violation of employment laws

None of which involve a wall.

The problem is that Trump is focused on one solution instead of focusing on solving the problem. This exhibits a lack of critical thinking.

[Dowly]

Making it harder to live as illegal would work too.

I know you guys hate being in databases etc. and I'm not saying this is the answer, but in Finland for example you can't get anything done without needing to prove your ID with a social security number.

[Hawk66]

...the Trump tweet from today concerning the FBI and NYT.

"The corupt former leaders of the FBI, almost all fired..." lol. Seriously, I do not know how anybody can think that this man is appropriate for his office.

The whole world around him is corrupt and bad but of crs he is the angel in person, the real estate shark, lol

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Hawk66

Seriously, I do not know how anybody can think that this man is appropriate for his office.

He's the first man appropriate for his office since Ronald Reagan.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Increase the penalties and increase the prosecution of US employers who employ illegal aliens in violation of employment laws

Put a wall around Chicago