The return of a diesel-soaked commander! Question!

Ula Jolly · 05-28-06, 03:58 PM

I've been around the globe, and I tell you, it is round, for I ended up here again!

Glad to see the forum alive.

Very saddened by the lack of MORE patches (grief grief etc etc) and additional platforms (the same, etc etc), but I guess I can live. I won't have actual access to DW till in three weeks, but when I do, I shall battle it out well.

The smilies here are lacking. õ.õ

Anyway! I wanted to ask, when DO I crank up the speed of a Kilo?
Whenever you're in a Kilo, you just sit there, still at three knots, listening. You don't dare move. If you do, you're dead. That's how it feels like. If there's a Virginia near - she has you, you just don't know it yet. With a Kilo, you're not expected to return to port - not in one piece, at least. I feel alone whenever I play a Kilo, very alone. Help? How DO you beat the Virginia? Is the Kilo really the black hole it's alleged to be?

Sorry if this is written in some FAQ around here, I haven't found it yet.

Yours, Henning.

Molon Labe · 05-28-06, 04:25 PM

What mod are you playing that has a Virginia?

Anyways, if you're in the stock version of the game, you can pile on speed in a Kilo and not really worry about it. Even at flank, you're still pretty quiet.

If you're playing in LW/Ami, then if you're in a Kilo Improved, you need to be judicious about exceeding 5 knots or so. If there might be a sub listening, stay slow. Same for if you think there might be a buoy field nearby, or if you spot and FFG getting too close for comfort. If you're in a standard Kilo, then you pretty much have to accept the fact that you are outgunned. Even at slow speeds, you're detectable, and if you crank it up at all you are very easily detected.

Ula Jolly · 05-28-06, 04:41 PM

Ach! Of course I mean SEAWOLF. I confuse the two easily.

I shall try, as soon as I get back to my stock game, to see if a Kilo truly is that stealthy.

TLAM Strike · 05-28-06, 08:20 PM

Best words of advice for a fellow Kilo driver in an ASW situation I have is at first sign of an enemy SSN avoid it. The Hunter Killer SSN is your enemy not your target, your target is the enemy skimmers. Unless you’re on your home turf with backup avoid the SSNs.

Molon Labe · 05-28-06, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

Ach! Of course I mean SEAWOLF. I confuse the two easily.

I shall try, as soon as I get back to my stock game, to see if a Kilo truly is that stealthy.

Amizaur came out with some charts when the Hotfix came out that illustrated this, but I think the post got snipped when Bill cleaned house.

LuftWolf · 05-29-06, 04:15 AM

You don't need no charts to add 55 + 5 and figure out that it equals 60.

A kilo imp has a base passive sound level in the stock database of 55. It's sound vs. speed curve in the stock database gives it an additional +5 PSL at flank without cavitation.

So, that means that SCS has the Kilo Imp making only 8 db more at 20kts than at 0kts. Ok, whatever... by comparision the SW in the stock game has a PSL of 63 when at 0kts, and a PSL of 73 when at flank, the measly increase for all nuke subs regardless of class/quality in the stock game.

So, in a nutshell, in the stock game, you can go pretty fast and not worry that much about increasing the risk of detection, which is not really that good, in my opinion, but that's why there is Ludger's DWedit program and free time (I needed a hobby anyway).

Cheers,
David

Molon Labe · 05-29-06, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf

You don't need no charts to add 55 + 5 and figure out that it equals 60.

I do when I don't have the NL values. Ass.

LuftWolf · 05-29-06, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

I do when I don't have the NL values. Ass.

HAR HAR HAR, you've had 10 months to learn DW edit.

Molon Labe · 05-30-06, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf

HAR HAR HAR, you've had 10 months to learn DW edit.

I didn't have DW edit on my laptop either.:p

Nexus7 · 05-30-06, 04:33 PM

I had some MP confrontations driving a Seawolf versus Akula and Kilo. The kilo turned out to be a real sohn of a b***. In the stock game you will have to consider going active to find the Kilo, no idea about the patched versions or modded versions.
I just remember MP games where the kilo was like 1.5nm behind the SW, engaging, and winning.

Molon Labe · 05-30-06, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexus7

I had some MP confrontations driving a Seawolf versus Akula and Kilo. The kilo turned out to be a real sohn of a b***. In the stock game you will have to consider going active to find the Kilo, no idea about the patched versions or modded versions.
I just remember MP games where the kilo was like 1.5nm behind the SW, engaging, and winning.

Going active in the stock game through 1.01 virtually assured the destruction of the Kilo, since the Kilo would be detected at standoff range. This might be different in 1.03, but I haven't tested it. I'd suspect that going active against a Kilo is still a good tactic in stock and modded 1.03 in all but the worst sonar conditions.

05-28-06, 03:58 PM	#1
Ula Jolly Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 567 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The return of a diesel-soaked commander! Question! I've been around the globe, and I tell you, it is round, for I ended up here again! Glad to see the forum alive. Very saddened by the lack of MORE patches (grief grief etc etc) and additional platforms (the same, etc etc), but I guess I can live. I won't have actual access to DW till in three weeks, but when I do, I shall battle it out well. The smilies here are lacking. õ.õ Anyway! I wanted to ask, when DO I crank up the speed of a Kilo? Whenever you're in a Kilo, you just sit there, still at three knots, listening. You don't dare move. If you do, you're dead. That's how it feels like. If there's a Virginia near - she has you, you just don't know it yet. With a Kilo, you're not expected to return to port - not in one piece, at least. I feel alone whenever I play a Kilo, very alone. Help? How DO you beat the Virginia? Is the Kilo really the black hole it's alleged to be? Sorry if this is written in some FAQ around here, I haven't found it yet. Yours, Henning. __________________ I shall punish yee, landlubber! C'mere for spankings and popsicles!

05-28-06, 04:25 PM	#2
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	What mod are you playing that has a Virginia? Anyways, if you're in the stock version of the game, you can pile on speed in a Kilo and not really worry about it. Even at flank, you're still pretty quiet. If you're playing in LW/Ami, then if you're in a Kilo Improved, you need to be judicious about exceeding 5 knots or so. If there might be a sub listening, stay slow. Same for if you think there might be a buoy field nearby, or if you spot and FFG getting too close for comfort. If you're in a standard Kilo, then you pretty much have to accept the fact that you are outgunned. Even at slow speeds, you're detectable, and if you crank it up at all you are very easily detected. __________________

05-28-06, 04:41 PM	#3
Ula Jolly Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 567 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ach! Of course I mean SEAWOLF. I confuse the two easily. I shall try, as soon as I get back to my stock game, to see if a Kilo truly is that stealthy. __________________ I shall punish yee, landlubber! C'mere for spankings and popsicles!

05-28-06, 08:20 PM	#4
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Best words of advice for a fellow Kilo driver in an ASW situation I have is at first sign of an enemy SSN avoid it. The Hunter Killer SSN is your enemy not your target, your target is the enemy skimmers. Unless you’re on your home turf with backup avoid the SSNs. __________________

05-29-06, 04:15 AM	#6
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	You don't need no charts to add 55 + 5 and figure out that it equals 60. A kilo imp has a base passive sound level in the stock database of 55. It's sound vs. speed curve in the stock database gives it an additional +5 PSL at flank without cavitation. So, that means that SCS has the Kilo Imp making only 8 db more at 20kts than at 0kts. Ok, whatever... by comparision the SW in the stock game has a PSL of 63 when at 0kts, and a PSL of 73 when at flank, the measly increase for all nuke subs regardless of class/quality in the stock game. So, in a nutshell, in the stock game, you can go pretty fast and not worry that much about increasing the risk of detection, which is not really that good, in my opinion, but that's why there is Ludger's DWedit program and free time (I needed a hobby anyway). Cheers, David __________________ LW

05-30-06, 04:33 PM	#10
Nexus7 Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I had some MP confrontations driving a Seawolf versus Akula and Kilo. The kilo turned out to be a real sohn of a b***. In the stock game you will have to consider going active to find the Kilo, no idea about the patched versions or modded versions. I just remember MP games where the kilo was like 1.5nm behind the SW, engaging, and winning. __________________ If you are going through hell... keep going (Winston Churchill)