jamal Khashoggi murdered by Saudi agents

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'd be asking precisely what have they done with the body and where are its current whereabouts.

Originally Posted by u crank

I have a suspicion that the body has 'disappeared'.

THE COUNSEL'S NEARBY RESIDENCE GARDEN NEEDS DIGGING UP? Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb-SEEN EVERYWHERE TO PRINCE GOES MAY BE BE FACING A LITTLE DISMEMBERMENT OF HIS OWN AS HE FACES THE MUSIC FOR 'LISTENING TO TO THE MUSIC' WHILE POOR JAMAL K. 'MET HIS WATERLOO'...

Originally Posted by CATFISH

So "embarrassing" when you cannot hide it, eh.

MY ADVICE TO THE SAUDI'S: NEXT TIME SEND THE 'A' TEAM; NOT THE 'GANG THAT 'CAN'T SLICE STRAIGHT'... AND IN A CONSULATE THAT AIN'T BUGGED SO THOROUGHLY....

[Rockstar]

Turkey and Saudi the pot accusing the kettle

Khashoggi was arrested in the embassy before being tortured, killed and dismembered by about 15 Saudi operatives who arrived in Istanbul on a day flight from Riyadh and departed a few hours after Khashoggi's killing. It is hard to believe that the Turkish services, which have always played the double- and triple-crossing game, did not know what was happening. Khashoggi himself had probably received assurances that the Saudi embassy in Istanbul was a safe place to collect the documents. He was obviously betrayed by someone in whom he had strong trust.

Turkey is a strong ally of Qatar and plays a major role in the region. Relations between Riyadh and Ankara have not been the best in recent years, but their common interests in the region are so high that it is not surprising that Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization has closed more than one eye to allow Khashoggi's assassination and the exit of the 15 operatives.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/12/killing-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman.html




Turkey, Saudi Arabia to enhance collaboration on Syrian crisis



"If Ankara, Riyadh and Doha would agree on the 'safe zone' idea that has been voiced by President Erdoğan, it would greatly benefit the people in the region, while also curbing Iran's expansionist policies."


https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/2017/02/15/turkey-saudi-arabia-to-enhance-collaboration-on-syrian-crisis

[Platapus]

So now the story is that 15 rogue agents walked into the consulate and accidentally killed and dismembered this journalist.

Reminds me of

https://y.yarn.co/bb3979a8-bc0d-4dab...?1540148186308

[Rockstar]

I dont like what happened to Khashoggie anymore than the next fella. But this guy wasn't just some innocent journalist writing about freedom and democracy. He was a player in deep and knew a lot about the games people in power play the funding and arms. From the days fighting the Soviets in Afganistan, 9/11, until the day he walked in the Saudi consulate.



Mess with the bull you get the horns.

[Aktungbby]

^ EXACTLY! I'VE CONSIDERED THAT HE, A LONGTIME PLAYER IN THE GAME, COMMITTED POLITICAL SUICIDE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF PERMANENTLY EMBARRASSING THE PRINCE AND SHOWING HIM UP. HE HAD TO HAVE KNOWN AND CONSIDERED ALL THE SCENARIOS AND OUTCOMES BEFORE ENTERING THE CONSULATE...

[Jimbuna]

So the answer is: Murder him, dismember the body and dispose of it?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

So the answer is: Murder him, dismember the body and dispose of it?

Depends on the question you ask.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

So the answer is: Murder him, dismember the body and dispose of it?

In that world which he lived in, I guess so.


The disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on October 2, 2018, and was never seen leaving it, is a trending topic in the Arabic press, particularly the Saudi press. Khashoggi, whom some Turkish elements surmise was murdered by the Saudis inside the consulate, is a veteran Saudi journalist well known in the Arab world, especially for his criticism of the Saudi regime and his support for the Muslim Brotherhood. In the past year Khashoggi even moved to the U.S. in fear for his life, and began writing a Washington Post column; in it, he was harshly critical of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman.

https://www.memri.org/reports/disapp...ason-now#_edn3

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb-SEEN EVERYWHERE TO PRINCE GOES MAY BE BE FACING A LITTLE DISMEMBERMENT OF HIS OWN AS HE FACES THE MUSIC FOR 'LISTENING TO TO THE MUSIC' WHILE POOR JAMAL K. 'MET HIS WATERLOO'... MY ADVICE TO THE SAUDI'S: NEXT TIME SEND THE 'A' TEAM; NOT THE 'GANG THAT 'CAN'T SLICE STRAIGHT'... AND IN A CONSULATE THAT AIN'T BUGGED SO THOROUGHLY....

Originally Posted by W.S.J.EDITORIAL

As the Trump administration wrestles with whether to buy Saudi Arabia’s belated and befuddled explanation for the death of Jamal Khashoggi, a thoughtful Saudi tells me: “Morality aside, the critical question is the sanity of our very own Caligula.”
Comparing Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to the brutal and unbalanced first-century Roman ruler may be harsh, but it’s not entirely inaccurate. Both blazed to power as shining stars of change at a very young age: 25 for Caligula, 30 for Crown Prince Mohammed. Each loved organizing grand entertainment for bored citizens, building extravagant projects and, more to the point, humiliating and silencing associates. Caligula cruelly forced Roman senators to run for their lives before his chariot. The crown prince incarcerated his royal relatives, ministers and prominent businessmen at the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton until they agreed to return some $100 billion of ostensibly ill-gotten gains. Now his regime is offering two of his closest associates to take the blame for Khashoggi’s murder and dismemberment at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

“Remember,” Caligula loved to say, “that I have the right to do anything to anybody,” according to Suetonius, his biographer.
Crown Prince Mohammed has thus far enjoyed the same sweeping power—forcing the visiting Lebanese prime minister to resign on Saudi television, destroying the Gulf Cooperation Council by declaring Qatar an enemy, and now presiding over a system in which, by his own account, Khashoggi’s murder was carried out by his closest associates and numerous royal-court security guards.
If those associates and guards aren’t punished for the roles they allegedly played, Congress—and much of the world—isn’t likely to return to business as usual. And if they are executed, the royal guards of the crown prince may feel exposed and set against each other, which is what led the Praetorian Guards to cooperate with Caligula’s enemies and facilitate his assassination at age 29.
The looming question in U.S.-Saudi relations: Can the crown prince retain unchecked authority in the Kingdom? And if he does, can the U.S.-Saudi relationship—including close cooperation on Gulf security and global oil policy and large infusions of Saudi money into U.S. Treasury bills—remain undamaged? In short, can King Salman retain his son as crown prince and the U.S. as a close ally?
The latest accusation—that the Saudi coverup included sending a Khashoggi double out the back door of the consulate—raises further questions about what the crown prince knew. He told Bloomberg News the day after the disappearance that Khashoggi “got out after a few minutes or one hour.” If his subordinates fed him this cover story, it appears to have taken the prince a long time to get their version of events even though the Saudi team returned to the kingdom within 24 hours.
It is no small irony that a crown prince defined by his determination to control every aspect of the kingdom—a control freak even according to his fans—effectively put control of his own future and the U.S.-Saudi relationship in the hands of two adversaries: Congress and Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Congress, never a friend of Saudi Arabia, can override President Trump to punish the kingdom. Congressional action is that much likelier if the results of Turkey’s investigation are released and prove as lurid as the press leaks of the past two weeks, thereby giving the lie to the Saudi explanation.
An additional threat to the crown prince is the thus-far muted opposition within the Al Saud family, many of whom he has humiliated and shunted aside. Their catalyst for unifying to force the prince from power could come from Turkish revelations that embolden Congress to oppose Mr. Trump’s efforts to continue a strong strategic relationship with Saudi Arabia and Crown Prince Mohammed. Most of the Al Saud family, along with most young Saudis, want access and acceptability in the U.S.




Given that the crown prince has decimated much royal, religious and other opposition over the past two years, his hold on power is seemingly strong. King Salman stood behind his son by putting him in charge of revamping Saudi intelligence in the wake of Khashoggi’s death. Yet it has become possible to imagine that the young prince won’t be the long-term ruler of Saudi Arabia. If not, what happens to his social and economic reform agenda, ranging from liberalization of social life to reducing Saudi dependence on oil exports? The reforms he has tried to institute are necessary, long overdue and largely popular with young Saudis. The tragedy is that he has put the reforms at risk along with his own reputation and rule.
If the crown prince loses power it could be either by the gentle hand of his father or, like Caligula, at the violent hand of cooperation between disgruntled princes and praetorians. “If the king stands by him, I believe there is plotting under way to remove the crown prince violently,” warns Bruce Riedel, a Brookings scholar with 30 years at the Central Intelligence Agency. Even before this, the crown prince’s concern for his security was evidenced by the growing number of nights he spent on his yacht in the Red Sea, seen as safer than princely palaces.
In the first scenario, the king would have plenty of princes to choose from within his immediate family, such as Mohammed’s elder half-brother Prince Sultan, a former U.S. Space Shuttle astronaut and the kingdom’s tourism director, or from the wider Al Saud family, such as Khalid Faisal, 78, a widely respected nephew of the king who serves as governor of Mecca. In this scenario, the reform program wouldn’t be reversed but could slow down to the glacial pace under past Saudi rulers.
In the violent scenario, all bets would be off. An assassination could set off a full-scale power struggle not just among princely branches of the Al Saud family, but including the religious fundamentalists seeking to overturn reforms and restore the restrictive social strictures the crown prince overthrew. What this would mean for U.S.-Saudi relations is anyone’s guess. Surely, however, if Mr. Trump has the ability to influence events, the first scenario is far preferable to the second.

I SEE 15 SECURITY PERSONS PUBLICALLY LOSING THEIR HEADS AND THE PRINCE (MBS) REPLACED IF NOT ASSASSINATED ....SHORTLY. OL' KING SALMON <SEEN WITH THE YOUNG PRINCE IS IN A TOUGH SPOT, NEEDS TO RECONSIDER HIS CHOICE OF HEIR; AND HE KNOWS IT....

[Bilge_Rat]

well no, MBS may be pushed aside or sidelined, but there will be no assassination or coup. Personally, I think he will just lay low until all this blows over.

The West is not just now waking up to the fact that Saudi Arabia is a murderous regime. Saudi Arabia has been backing thugs, terrorists and killing people right and left for decades as part of their proxy war against Iran.

The way Khashoggi died was horrible, but at the height of the Iraq civil war 10-12 years ago, an average of 20-40 Sunni or Shia men were being killed in the same barbarous ways every night by Saudi or Iranian backed militias. Where was the outrage then?

The West has been turning a blind eye for years while Saudi Arabia does their dirty work in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc.

Notice how Israel has been noticeably silent on this whole story, since they are de facto allied with Saudi Arabia against Iran.

Despite what the naive american media may say, the USA and Europe needs Saudi Arabia more than the other way around. China has been trying to break into the lucrative middle east oil market for decades. Do you really think they wont swoop in at the first opportunity if USA/Europe decide to do anything as foolish as "sanctioning" the regime?

[vienna]

Well, reportedly, one of the persons believed to be part of the crew that carried out the murder died, shortly after the crime became public, in an automobile 'accident'; maybe the Prince should consider walking to his future appointments...














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[vienna]

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[u crank]

Opinion column by NR's Jonah Goldberg on the dilemma facing Western democracies when dealing with repressive states like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran. Pretty much a no win situation.

The biggest mistake the Trump administration made in the Jamal Khashoggi case occurred while Khashoggi was still alive: letting Saudi Arabia’s crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, think he could get away with something so heinous — and so heinously stupid.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...arabia-turkey/

One of the more cynical talking points among those calling for new leadership in Saudi Arabia is the idea that reformers in backward authoritarian nations don’t do terrible things.

The shahs were reformers, supporting Western-style modernization and women’s rights. They were also brutal dictators.

And there is a certain level of hypocrisy by some that lacks self awareness.

Some of the most outraged American voices in the Khashoggi affair had no problem working with Iran’s brutal regime. The Obama echo chamber made realist arguments about the nature of reform under the mullahs, but these same people are now morally aghast at our realpolitik with the House of Saud.

[Jimbuna]

US President Donald Trump has said Saudi Arabia's response to the murder of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi is "the worst cover-up ever".

Those behind the killing in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul three weeks ago "should be in big trouble", he said.

Shortly afterwards, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the US would "punish those responsible" and had revoked visas of 21 identified suspects.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45960865

This is probably as far as the US will go.

[Bilge_Rat]

everyone else is tiptoing around the issue.

Germany announced it is putting arms exports to the Saudis on hold...but there is a catch, that only applies to future contracts, not the existing $400 million contract:

Riyadh’s explanations so far had not been satisfactory, Altmaier told broadcaster ZDF, adding, “The government is in agreement that we will not approve further arms exports for the moment because we want to know what happened.”

So far this year Berlin had approved weapons exports worth more than 400 million euros ($462 million) to Saudi Arabia, making it the second-biggest recipient of German arms after Algeria.

Asked whether Germany would roll back previously agreed arms deals with Saudi, he said a decision would be made very soon. The EU needed a unified position to avoid some countries filling the gap, he added.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1MW2LT