Feedback from pro IT insiders on patching quality for W10: DEVASTATING

[Skybird]

That decision you can safely leave were it belongs - leave it to me. I have moved all really important, especially security relevant activity to a safer platform and only left some harmless entertainment on Windows, which I had no other choice if I did not already want to skip that right now. And indeed, if that is of comfort to you, I have regretted that I spend tzhis money on new hardware, because W10 corrupts the technical stability of this new hardware time and again and far more often than XP or W98 or W7 ever did. No other windows has given me as many BSOD, as W10 already has in just 9 months. Wowh. That is what they call progress.



I found the reality of W10 to be far worse than what i had read about it in the two years before.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That decision you can safely leave were it belongs - leave it to me.

I do. That's the point. You preach to others how they should not use Windows, yet you use it yourself because you want to play games. Again, that's hypocrisy.


As for Windows 10 and its performance, either I am lucky or you are unlucky, but I haven't had a single BSOD since I upgraded my Win7 to 10 back in December. In fact, the automatic maintenance feature of Win10 fixed the problems my Win7 had started to suffer from (I did a straight Win7->10 upgrade, no reformat).


If I was a betting man, I'd say it's (again) down to user error. Wouldn't be the first time with you.

[mapuc]

My Win10.

If I remove the fact that I mostly get these BSOD(Is that Blue Screen Of Death ?) after an Update from MS
and the same if I by mistake install a game in the Program Files(x86)

Then I have no problem with it.

I had huge problem when I got this Win10 Creator upgrade.

But now the computer runs alright.

On the sidemark, I'm a novice user of Win10.

I have though, decide the next time I get a notice from MS I will postpone the updates/upgrades and wait some month.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have though, decide the next time I get a notice from MS I will postpone the updates/upgrades and wait some month.

Markus

That can be easier said than done. Beware. Even more so since microsoft has demonstrated repeatedly in the past three years that they can change terminology just so to make people surrender by choosing the option they read and understand to be what they want - while in fact Microsoft has packed into it what they want not. Remember the "cancel" versus "accept" icon-exchnage that they released over two years ago to make people accept that their W7 machines get upgraded to W10 where in fact they did not want it? Or did you notice how the terminology in W10 options for "selected audiencer" and "general public audience" have been chnaged repeatedly ove rthe past 18 months to make people signing in to early downloading new Windows versions where people in fatc wanted to delayx them as long as possible? That are no accidents, that is intentional. A game they play, its called: Trap they customer.


They will often innocently apologize afterwards, however, if that is of any comfort to you. And then they do it again. You can enjoy and appreciate their warmhearted excuses repeatedly, therefore.

Even the definition of your internet connection as a metered connection has not been safe for everybody to prevent new full builds getting installed against their will. Happened to quite some people with the shift form version 1709 to 1803. If you are unlucky, you get it anyway, no matter what your options are set up like. Options are only accepted by Microsoft if they do not hinder their wanted policies. And their policies are that everybody must participate in the enforced general public beta testing program. They seem to run no internal beta test program anymore. Since years. And it shows. Very badly in January this year, and again, worse, last July. I do not know when was the last time that they had not messed up the majority of their monthly patches. For July, there have been five waves of patches for the patches for the patches for the patches for the July patches, most not even documented. Some patches just were deleted, that good they were. Not just in W10, but in W7 and W8 as well. Thats more than once per week.

Swallow it! And do not complain. That would make you a bad boy and a hypocrite, according to Dowly.

[Skybird]

The point is that mere playing some games does not stop me from trying to make people stop using Microsoft for just everything, knowing that in that case and Microsoft giving up on Windows the gaming under Windows would come to an end for me as wellin the foillowing aftermath of time. Many endless apologists who defend Microsoft and do their best to excuse Microsoft's lack of quality however make certain that this will never happen, and that the widespread dependency on Windows will continue and so Microsoft must not listne to customers. Equivalents of you exist in companies and on corporate level as well, plus the strong lobby Microsoft maintains in politics to make sure its stuff get used in public administrations for hefty yearly license fees costing the tax payer billions every year - for inferior quality and security - and even when the superiority of for example Linux has been proven by years of using alternative OS, like for example in Paris or Munich to name just two big cities. And so deveklopers have almost no other chance than to continue developing for Windows instead of Linux, and the dpeendency of future softweare oin Windows is the excuse then why not to give up on Wndows and migrate to Chrome, Apple or Linux. And mind you: in other hardware departments, Windows de facto has already been left behind. Mobiles are Anbdroid (Linux) land, servers for the most run under Linux as well worldwide. Just the PC market still gets suffocated by the depen dency on Windows.



What is the hypocrisy here: me just using it as long as it still is there, for things that are in the end just meaningless and unimportant, unsensibile regarding security and privacy and - documented and shared by others as well - technical instability issues, or people like you showing Microsoft that they must not care for better quality at all not just for gaming platforms, but seirous business platforms as adminstrativ enetworks and global office work?

And then telling me that I should not complain about Microsoft seriously reducing the performance value that I get in return for the financial investment I made? Are you a sales psychologist not caring for right and wrong who advises companies on how to get away with lousy product quality and deflect customers' justified criticism and complaints? The only focus on how to get away with it?


You can do yourself like you want, but when I see the return value of money I paid for broken stuff being sewriously degraded by the pruducer, I complain about it and warn of this company. You just ignore it and endlessly defend it. And by that make sure that they get away with it and see their customer-mocking policy working fine.

The hypocrisy is on your side. And fools like you who just swallow the BS Microsoft gives them, tell Microsoft that they must not do any better at all. Because there are so many fools accepting to not get better value.


Heck, the auto-repair site by Microsoft I have recommended to try out several months ago myself, you must not tell me. if things would be so perfect and simple like in your ideal corner of it, then things like the patching mess with Spectre 1+2 and Meltdown (both the lacking aiming in it and the lacking efficiency of it, while having hit performance of not all bnut quiote some new systems), the intel Microcode "updates" degrading quite some new system'S performance, and the general total lack of patch reliability in Micorsoft hurried-out untested stuff by Microsoft would not exist, Smarty. In the end you are just after trying to land cheap shots at me, like on other opportunities before. Do you even have any understanding about that practically every patch for W7, W8 and W10 last month once again was porked and faulty, once again driving IT departments into loads and loads of over-time hours? And the mess for the kost still is not fixed. And itds a mmess implemented by Microsoft patches. Malware-Patches that Microsoft still enforces on users - amnd dares to call a "service". But we shall not complaim about it? Business and companies should not as well?

And I do not even mention that the whole feature list and general design of Windows 10 is at least dubiou,s and highly questionable. I just aim at the de facto non-existing techncial reliability of it, and the patches meant to "fix" it. With every new branch of Windows 10, more and more useless, complicating, unwanted gimmicks must be left activated to not mess W10 stability up even further. That may not be of interest for unknowing and not caring private household owners. For business environments, that is somethign VERy diufferent and a thing of much bigger priority. Windows 10 is not just done badly, it also is bad by design, wanting to be evertyhing in one, and then much more. And that is what has shot oit down. W8 already was the preface to this, announcing the horror of the mess to come.

Dummkopf. Too bad I am no businessman myself, i could sell you just anything: broken, worthless stuff, and you never would hold me responsible for it and attack others who do. Customers like you are just the best. Even if I cause you damage, you would just accept it, not holding me liable. Would be paradise for me.

[Dowly]

@Skybird: I see we are at the point in our chat where you start making **** up and put words in my mouth. It's simple:


1) You preach about Windows 10 and encourage people not to use it.
2) You use it.
3) You are a hypocrite.


The less significant things you use your Windows 10 PC to do, the worse it is since that just shows how little you value your principles.

[Cyborg322]

Ladies !

[Skybird]

Susan Bradley's reply. I admire some people's self-control and patience.



https://www.askwoody.com/2018/patch-lady-my-response/

[mapuc]

As expected.

Day before yesterday I got an update from MS.
And today when I started my computer(have been shutdown for about 17 hours) it shut it self off at start up.

Now I'm waiting on the first BSOD.

Don't know it it's my computer or if it is what Skybird says-MS mess things up.

Markus