SH5 TWOS newbie questions

THEBERBSTER · 07-16-18, 09:40 AM

Hi sh
You have a conflict here with these 2 mods.
TWoS Real Navigation
Real Navigation is where you do all the work, Map bearings, setting your course, target identification, and all TDC work and more.

TWoS UI cmd_Radio Reports_Auto Target ID
This mod does the target identification for you so you are going to see items on the map that should not be there when Real Navigation enabled.

If you want to play 100% realistically in your game then this mod needs to be disabled and you TAI map problem will disappear.
TWoS UI cmd_Radio Reports_Auto Target ID

Peter

silenthunter183 · 07-18-18, 05:17 AM

I'm really frustrated now.
I started campaing and of course first mission is Baltic Operation. I think "great, easy mission" I even heard that this is tutorial mission for this campaign.
Well, after playing it 3 times, I think it's plain stupid mission. I don't know how to pass it!
Objective: Report/Intercept Polish Taskforce. Well that is not hard, I managed to get close enough to even identify ships of Polish destroyers (V&W class and Gryf Mines placer). Well I even managed to destroy Gryf!
But I don't understand what I should do next - when I'm looking in objectives, I see on going - attack order. What it means? I sunk 1 ship. Almost zero merchant traffic (this is actually pretty understandable, war started and no ships are travelling near frontline.) I got 1 merchant contact but it evaporated (I couldn't mange to track it due taskforce) Otherwise, I think doing "tutorial" mission about killing 2 destroyers is stupid...
I tried sending radio report about taskforce contact. I get answer (Maintain at your own...)

What is the meaning and objective of this mission??????????

EDIT: I noticed that encryption message was sent to me, first time I decoded it wrong (I checked radio message received date instead of date of encryption

) After decoding, order: ATTACK ANY SHIPPING ENTERING OR LEAVING DANZIG BAY. Is this means I have to also attack mentioned taskforce?
Regards.

THEBERBSTER · 07-18-18, 06:52 AM

Hi SH
There are 2 mission objectives.
1. Is the 2 Polish warships, identifying the task force.
2. Is to sink 2 ships which can be Merchants or Warships.
Your orders are to proceed to the Danzig Bay area to stop any mine laying.
Here you will be able to attack any shipping leaving this area.
When the objectives are completed as in the picture

you will receive a radio message with orders to say your base has changed from Memel to Kiel.
You can now make your way to Kiel.
Peter

silenthunter183 · 07-18-18, 07:00 AM

Thanks for brief explanation

I just sunk to little. As I said, I sunk only Gryf. Going to find some more targets.
Kudos.

XenonSurf · 07-18-18, 10:53 AM

Additionally to what Peter 'THEBERBSTER' has adviced you, within the TWoS mod there is the OFEV (Options File Editor Viewer) and a doc about how to use it, it's not too difficult. You can make and adapt most changes in the UI, TAI map, NavMap etc. like you want, but keep in mind that when you play Real Navigation you should mainly keep the Default settings, maybe only changing the UI between SH5Enhanced or SH3-style.

The basic rule is: If you cannot change something in-game with the options, then the OFEV can do it...

THEBERBSTER · 07-18-18, 04:58 PM

Hi SH
If you get stuck you can always fall back on this.
Post #416 Enigma Machine Code Breaking When You Do Not Have The Time > Pictorial > Missing pictures replaced
Peter

silenthunter183 · 07-23-18, 05:32 PM

Again, back with another question.
I learned 4 bearing method, it is pretty useful UNTIL target moves slower than 10 knots. When it moves more than 10, it is very hard to catch it up later to approach to better 90 degree position to ship. At least this is my first impressions after trying to use 4 bearing with Real nav on Baltic campaign. Also, most of my calcs are not correct due Real nav errors in plotting my position on map. Except for 4 bearing method and Hydro hunt method (which I can't use now because I don't have range sonar), what is the best way to approach the target with Real nav? I was trying to maintain it visually, to overtake merchant ships, get a little bit closer and then submerge and wait for them, but I found when I do it, I think, not correctly? Ships are very close almost they spot me before I submerge or get on convenient position for attack. I watched 4 bearing method of stoianm and others, but as I said, they have their sub position on map and I'm figuring it out with Real nav. I also did tutorial in-game, but for me it is a little bit "set" (perfect celestial first fix on actual sub position... Game also does everything with ship moving for us, so there's no way to practice it.
What is the best tactic to correctly approach target, with real nav, after doing all calculations e.g. 4 bearing, hydro hunt? I can't find such videos for that, almost all videos aren't using Real nav, and they have sub position on map. If you, better hunters would like to show me correct way, I would be thankful.

Regards!.

07-16-18, 09:40 AM	#1
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	Hi sh You have a conflict here with these 2 mods. TWoS Real Navigation Real Navigation is where you do all the work, Map bearings, setting your course, target identification, and all TDC work and more. TWoS UI cmd_Radio Reports_Auto Target ID This mod does the target identification for you so you are going to see items on the map that should not be there when Real Navigation enabled. If you want to play 100% realistically in your game then this mod needs to be disabled and you TAI map problem will disappear. TWoS UI cmd_Radio Reports_Auto Target ID Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

07-18-18, 05:17 AM	#2
silenthunter183 Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Poland, South of Baltic Sea Posts: 9 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I'm really frustrated now. I started campaing and of course first mission is Baltic Operation. I think "great, easy mission" I even heard that this is tutorial mission for this campaign. Well, after playing it 3 times, I think it's plain stupid mission. I don't know how to pass it! Objective: Report/Intercept Polish Taskforce. Well that is not hard, I managed to get close enough to even identify ships of Polish destroyers (V&W class and Gryf Mines placer). Well I even managed to destroy Gryf! But I don't understand what I should do next - when I'm looking in objectives, I see on going - attack order. What it means? I sunk 1 ship. Almost zero merchant traffic (this is actually pretty understandable, war started and no ships are travelling near frontline.) I got 1 merchant contact but it evaporated (I couldn't mange to track it due taskforce) Otherwise, I think doing "tutorial" mission about killing 2 destroyers is stupid... I tried sending radio report about taskforce contact. I get answer (Maintain at your own...) What is the meaning and objective of this mission?????????? EDIT: I noticed that encryption message was sent to me, first time I decoded it wrong (I checked radio message received date instead of date of encryption ) After decoding, order: ATTACK ANY SHIPPING ENTERING OR LEAVING DANZIG BAY. Is this means I have to also attack mentioned taskforce? Regards. Last edited by silenthunter183; 07-18-18 at 06:57 AM.

07-18-18, 06:52 AM	#3
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	Hi SH There are 2 mission objectives. 1. Is the 2 Polish warships, identifying the task force. 2. Is to sink 2 ships which can be Merchants or Warships. Your orders are to proceed to the Danzig Bay area to stop any mine laying. Here you will be able to attack any shipping leaving this area. When the objectives are completed as in the picture you will receive a radio message with orders to say your base has changed from Memel to Kiel. You can now make your way to Kiel. Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

07-18-18, 04:58 PM	#6
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	Hi SH If you get stuck you can always fall back on this. Post #416 Enigma Machine Code Breaking When You Do Not Have The Time > Pictorial > Missing pictures replaced Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

07-18-18, 07:00 AM	#4
silenthunter183 Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Poland, South of Baltic Sea Posts: 9 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Thanks for brief explanation I just sunk to little. As I said, I sunk only Gryf. Going to find some more targets. Kudos.

07-18-18, 10:53 AM	#5
XenonSurf Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany, Italy Posts: 1,721 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 4	Additionally to what Peter 'THEBERBSTER' has adviced you, within the TWoS mod there is the OFEV (Options File Editor Viewer) and a doc about how to use it, it's not too difficult. You can make and adapt most changes in the UI, TAI map, NavMap etc. like you want, but keep in mind that when you play Real Navigation you should mainly keep the Default settings, maybe only changing the UI between SH5Enhanced or SH3-style. The basic rule is: If you cannot change something in-game with the options, then the OFEV can do it...

07-23-18, 05:32 PM	#7
silenthunter183 Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Poland, South of Baltic Sea Posts: 9 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Again, back with another question. I learned 4 bearing method, it is pretty useful UNTIL target moves slower than 10 knots. When it moves more than 10, it is very hard to catch it up later to approach to better 90 degree position to ship. At least this is my first impressions after trying to use 4 bearing with Real nav on Baltic campaign. Also, most of my calcs are not correct due Real nav errors in plotting my position on map. Except for 4 bearing method and Hydro hunt method (which I can't use now because I don't have range sonar), what is the best way to approach the target with Real nav? I was trying to maintain it visually, to overtake merchant ships, get a little bit closer and then submerge and wait for them, but I found when I do it, I think, not correctly? Ships are very close almost they spot me before I submerge or get on convenient position for attack. I watched 4 bearing method of stoianm and others, but as I said, they have their sub position on map and I'm figuring it out with Real nav. I also did tutorial in-game, but for me it is a little bit "set" (perfect celestial first fix on actual sub position... Game also does everything with ship moving for us, so there's no way to practice it. What is the best tactic to correctly approach target, with real nav, after doing all calculations e.g. 4 bearing, hydro hunt? I can't find such videos for that, almost all videos aren't using Real nav, and they have sub position on map. If you, better hunters would like to show me correct way, I would be thankful. Regards!.