Owning the young mind

Catfish · 07-06-18, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

The Romans [...]
Their religion didn't offer moral advice or guidance, instead personal morality was based on characteristics of past people that were deemed to be "proper Roman" values that everyone should strive for and what was good for the public and the state. [...].

And as soon as some former tyrant was dead or fell from grace, there was the Damnatio memoriae, trying to wipe this man and his deeds out of the public conscience.
This has changed, however. Now even the idiots of yesterday continue to be worshipped and praised, 'forever'. Maybe for the lack of better successors.

Dowly · 07-06-18, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

And as soon as some former tyrant was dead or fell from grace, there was the Damnatio memoriae, trying to wipe this man and his deeds out of the public conscience.

Oh yes, that is very much what happened during the Imperial era which makes it rather difficult to ascertain whether some emperors were as bad as they were made to be by writers writing after their deaths.

Rockstar · 07-06-18, 10:58 AM

The arguments here about how its religions fault reminds of the story in the garden of Eden. When Adamah and his wife were confronted about their actions they immediately began to blame each other and everyone else but themselves.

I agree with Skybird, throughout history man has used religion to justify his actions, true. But lets not forget about the death and destruction following the state imposed atheism by Stalin, Tito, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot. Today the news is littered with reports of politically motivated vandalism and assaults on other people just because of the shirt they wore or point of view.

The criminally minded person group or herd will always try to find a way to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own actions. They'll use religion, politics, environment, science, race, you name it.

The way I see it, I am responsible to my creator, my faith is mine, my belief in God or the great quantum fluctuation if you will

is mine. I do not demand you do the same nor would I attempt to impose it upon you. As Skybird suggests open your eyes to the possibilities make your own decisions based on what you have learned yourself not based on what others tell you is truth. Don't get wrapped up in rhetoric or anything that would cause harm to another. If a monkey can offer comfort to its own we should be able too as well. But as history shows we need to be governed over. If my religion has taught me anything its that we, humanity, are capable of doing exceedingly beautiful, good and righteous things and exceedingly, depraved, dishonorable and evil things. Looking at my bible as a history book it must have been utter chaos. I can't even imagine how awful it must have been if laws had to be written prohibiting murder, incest, robbery, rape, eating animals while they're still alive, and human sacrifice. My evil impulse needs to be ruled over and held accountable otherwise as the saying goes all hell would break loose. Teaching right from wrong is necessary and in this regard religion can be acceptable.

"[Religion and] Government must not ever make laws for the simple sake of control; it ought to never interfere with its citizens with a "law" unless there is a public policy reason to do so."

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The arguments here about how its religions fault reminds of the story in the garden of Eden. When Adamah and his wife were confronted about their actions they immediately began to blame each other and everyone else but themselves. I agree with Skybird, throughout history man has used religion to justify his actions, true. But lets not forget about the death and destruction following the state imposed atheism by Stalin, Tito, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot. Today the news is littered with reports of politically motivated vandalism and assaults on other people just because of the shirt they wore or point of view. The criminally minded person group or herd will always try to find a way to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own actions. They'll use religion, politics, environment, science, race, you name it. The way I see it, I am responsible to my creator, my faith is mine, my belief in God or the great quantum fluctuation if you will is mine. I do not demand you do the same nor would I attempt to impose it upon you. As Skybird suggests open your eyes to the possibilities make your own decisions based on what you have learned yourself not based on what others tell you is truth. Don't get wrapped up in rhetoric or anything that would cause harm to another. If a monkey can offer comfort to its own we should be able too as well. But as history shows we need to be governed over. If my religion has taught me anything its that we, humanity, are capable of doing exceedingly beautiful, good and righteous things and exceedingly, depraved, dishonorable and evil things. Looking at my bible as a history book it must have been utter chaos. I can't even imagine how awful it must have been if laws had to be written prohibiting murder, incest, robbery, rape, eating animals while they're still alive, and human sacrifice. My evil impulse needs to be ruled over and held accountable otherwise as the saying goes all hell would break loose. Teaching right from wrong is necessary and in this regard religion can be acceptable. "[Religion and] Government must not ever make laws for the simple sake of control; it ought to never interfere with its citizens with a "law" unless there is a public policy reason to do so." Last edited by Rockstar; 07-06-18 at 11:32 AM.