U.S. to slap tariffs on steel, aluminum from EU on Thursday: sources

Highbury · 06-01-18, 11:27 AM

That tariff is also on Canada and Mexico, who have of course imposed tariffs of their own.

At least one consequence of this decision not sit well with the Trump base however, increased beer prices...

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tariff...m-steel-828430

Skybird · 06-01-18, 11:47 AM

The EU's list of products at which to strike have been choosen since their production focusses in states with strong political followership of and senators supporting the Donald.

Or so the EU hopes at least.

None of the six German submarines is operational currently, since 18 months or longer. Too bad timing.

Catfish · 06-01-18, 03:43 PM

Pah when England declared war in 1939, Germany had nine operational submarines. And the new ones are even better (i mean, if they work

)

And who can take this talking turtle Wilbur Ross for serious?
Donald is still angry that his grandfather was denied a return to Germany, after he ran away from serving in the military.
Meanwhile we reacted with tarriffs on peanut butter. Take that, Donald!

But it is not as bad as it looks, i mean it is like in every marriage, now and then there are some bloody scraps, and murder...

STEED · 06-01-18, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

we reacted with tarriffs on peanut butter. Take that, Donald!

Well that should help the obesity problem we have. Have you seen the calories in that stuff! Oh wait a good idea from the EU...

Gerald · 06-02-18, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The EU's list of products at which to strike have been choosen since their production focusses in states with strong political followership of and senators supporting the Donald.

Or so the EU hopes at least.

None of the six German submarines is operational currently, since 18 months or longer. Too bad timing.

Quote:

None of the six German submarines is operational currently

Why.

Schroeder · 06-02-18, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Why.

Missing spare parts. Our politicians made such awesome deals with the industry that we have no spare parts.

Skybird · 06-02-18, 06:16 AM

^ Also a lack of maintenance capacities and a general underfunding of the armed services. Thats a constant in all branches of the services. I do not have the numbers in my head right now, but major shares of our tank fleet, IFVs, helicopters, interceptors and transports are not operational, too. Too few volunteers are coming, too. Last time I heard about the German contingent for that coming Easteuropean NATO force - where the Germans should lead, if I am not mistaken - had only three of the needed IFVs from the assigned brigade working. THREE!!!

Now with even more people avoiding the services, and development aid for third world countries partially now counted as military spendings to beautify the numbers, I do not see things getting better anytime soon. Also, the red socialists of the SPD have been given control of the finance ministry, and they are traditionally extremely Russophile and see no reason to be on guard against Russia. And Merkel does what she does best: nothing but sitting.

Thats what its all about these days: she could not become SED Staatsratsvorsitzende anymore, so she occupies the chancellory as a second prize.

Fact is she has nothing to say anymore. The power is where the control over finances is. But she has never really led to new shores anyway, only managed a stagnating status quo that was caused by others before her, and occasionally u-turning on some issue when her "authority" was in danger and public opinion swung. She is one of the most overestimated duds in politics I have ever seen anywhere. She would be nothing in history if on a national level she would not have flattened and suffocated everybody around her who could challenge her. An elephant in a room of so small dimensions that the grey skin squeezes out of the door and windows.

And the whole personnel regime in Berlin is like that. Totally disconnected from the realities the ordinary people have to live in. Problems grow dramatically. Law and order are it dramatic decline, with the government itself leading the competition of breaking the rules, Degrees of freedoms to react and counter the challenges, got intentionally given up, and additionally vanish by themselves, in the face of an overwhelming tide of problems, many of them them self-made, the rest being consequences of earlier self-made problems.

Say good-bye to world history and the stage of global relevance, Germany. You're done. And you want it.

Gerald · 06-02-18, 06:55 AM

As I mentioned earlier, so I had a completely different view 30 years ago and thought Germany's defense was good. But, of course, the times have changed, and I have realized that Merkel is a puppet in a country that exists, but has had big changes over the past 10 years, so just keep going and believe that the best thing comes to you.

em2nought · 06-02-18, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Why.

Because we shamed them for so long they became modern citizens of the world who aren't really into that sort of thing anymore.

Gerald · 06-02-18, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em2nought

Because we shamed them for so long they became modern citizens of the world who aren't really into that sort of thing anymore.

LOL

Jimbuna · 06-02-18, 09:31 AM

Trump steel tariffs illegal, says UK's Liam Fox. So who gets to sort this mess out

Quote:

The policy came into force on Friday, meaning anyone in the US importing the metals from the EU will have to pay an additional tax.

President Donald Trump said the move would protect US national security.

"Given that we export some pretty complex steel products to the United States which are part of their national security programmes themselves, this reasoning that is given is wrong and therefore we believe unlawful."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44341074

Skybird · 06-02-18, 05:57 PM

Der Tagesspiegel

Bilge_Rat · 06-04-18, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Trump steel tariffs illegal, says UK's Liam Fox. So who gets to sort this mess out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44341074

countries can file a complaint to the WTO or some other international agency and if they are right, they will eventually get some sort of favorable ruling in 3-5 years which the U.S. will ignore.

This is standard negotiating tactic for the U.S., it did not start with Trump.

Canada has had numerous trade fights with the U.S. over canadian lumber exports to the U.S. It always plays out the same, the U.S. will slap duties on canadian lumber, Canada will say it is illegal under NAFTA (which it is), Canada will obtain favorable rulings under the NAFTA tribunals, the U.S. will ignore the rulings and eventually Canada and the U.S. will work out a deal where Canada will pay a fine, agree to limit lumber exports for x years and the U.S. will lift the duties.

so yes, it is a shakedown. Trump will get what he wants since no country wants to lose access to the U.S. market.

06-01-18, 11:47 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The EU's list of products at which to strike have been choosen since their production focusses in states with strong political followership of and senators supporting the Donald. Or so the EU hopes at least. None of the six German submarines is operational currently, since 18 months or longer. Too bad timing. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-01-18, 03:43 PM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Pah when England declared war in 1939, Germany had nine operational submarines. And the new ones are even better (i mean, if they work ) And who can take this talking turtle Wilbur Ross for serious? Donald is still angry that his grandfather was denied a return to Germany, after he ran away from serving in the military. Meanwhile we reacted with tarriffs on peanut butter. Take that, Donald! But it is not as bad as it looks, i mean it is like in every marriage, now and then there are some bloody scraps, and murder... __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-02-18, 06:16 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ Also a lack of maintenance capacities and a general underfunding of the armed services. Thats a constant in all branches of the services. I do not have the numbers in my head right now, but major shares of our tank fleet, IFVs, helicopters, interceptors and transports are not operational, too. Too few volunteers are coming, too. Last time I heard about the German contingent for that coming Easteuropean NATO force - where the Germans should lead, if I am not mistaken - had only three of the needed IFVs from the assigned brigade working. THREE!!! Now with even more people avoiding the services, and development aid for third world countries partially now counted as military spendings to beautify the numbers, I do not see things getting better anytime soon. Also, the red socialists of the SPD have been given control of the finance ministry, and they are traditionally extremely Russophile and see no reason to be on guard against Russia. And Merkel does what she does best: nothing but sitting. Thats what its all about these days: she could not become SED Staatsratsvorsitzende anymore, so she occupies the chancellory as a second prize. Fact is she has nothing to say anymore. The power is where the control over finances is. But she has never really led to new shores anyway, only managed a stagnating status quo that was caused by others before her, and occasionally u-turning on some issue when her "authority" was in danger and public opinion swung. She is one of the most overestimated duds in politics I have ever seen anywhere. She would be nothing in history if on a national level she would not have flattened and suffocated everybody around her who could challenge her. An elephant in a room of so small dimensions that the grey skin squeezes out of the door and windows. And the whole personnel regime in Berlin is like that. Totally disconnected from the realities the ordinary people have to live in. Problems grow dramatically. Law and order are it dramatic decline, with the government itself leading the competition of breaking the rules, Degrees of freedoms to react and counter the challenges, got intentionally given up, and additionally vanish by themselves, in the face of an overwhelming tide of problems, many of them them self-made, the rest being consequences of earlier self-made problems. Say good-bye to world history and the stage of global relevance, Germany. You're done. And you want it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-02-18, 06:55 AM	#8
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	As I mentioned earlier, so I had a completely different view 30 years ago and thought Germany's defense was good. But, of course, the times have changed, and I have realized that Merkel is a puppet in a country that exists, but has had big changes over the past 10 years, so just keep going and believe that the best thing comes to you. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

06-02-18, 05:57 PM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Der Tagesspiegel __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-01-18, 11:27 AM	#1
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	That tariff is also on Canada and Mexico, who have of course imposed tariffs of their own. At least one consequence of this decision not sit well with the Trump base however, increased beer prices... http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tariff...m-steel-828430