Sub books of interest

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Shibster

I also read Blind Mans Bluff on the recommendation from a former sub guy but I hear there are some around here that dislike it...either way it had some good stories in my opinion.

BMB dug into some stories that were never supposed to see the light of day, especially towards the end of the book. That got many pairs of underwear twisted, mine included, because The Silent Service mostly means that we don't talk about what we did. Ever.

By the time I got around to reading it, Sherry Sontag had re-written the dedications section to explain why they wrote the book and mentioned that they were telling the stories for the people (and their families) who could never tell the truth about what they were up to or why they were away from home for so long. So, take that for what its worth. Sontag and Drew are also investigative journalists and BMB was one the early books that relied on FOIA requests to de-classify things like patrol reports. They aimed high and were given access to info that I don't think they expected to see. So, some of the underwear twisting was warranted but at the end of the day it was the government who gave them the access to the info.

Submarine stories are a dual edged sword. When you're not supposed to tell the story in the first place, it makes it easier to add some embellishment knowing that no one is going to stand up and yell "BS!!".

[Shibster]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

BMB dug into some stories that were never supposed to see the light of day, especially towards the end of the book. That got many pairs of underwear twisted, mine included, because The Silent Service mostly means that we don't talk about what we did. Ever.

Submarine stories are a dual edged sword. When you're not supposed to tell the story in the first place, it makes it easier to add some embellishment knowing that no one is going to stand up and yell "BS!!".

I remember now and can understand your side. Thanks for clarifying.

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Shibster

I remember now and can understand your side. Thanks for clarifying.

I really don't have a "side", I still have a couple of the book's editions.
On the one hand, like I said, I can understand why the underwear got knotted.
On the other hand, back when I wore the funny hat and my dolphins, the annual divorce rate on submarines fluctuated between 95% and 98%.
To put that in context, if you got married on New Year's Eve you would probably be paying alimony by Thanksgiving.

That's one heck of a reward for volunteering for hazardous duty and long hours. So, if some kids get to understand why Dad was such a dirtbag, maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

[GravityWave]

I'm surprised the NR1 doesn't get more credit. Granted it's a mud crawler, but it had wheels! And probably the smallest nuclear powered vessel ever. It's an odd one, but one of Hyman's fav's.

[GravityWave]

Hey, FPS, I really enjoyed the Dangerous Waters stuff. I'd never played with the TMA and bearing rate changes before. Of course, it's all probably done on computers now. Back in the day, lots of things weren't even transistorized. I'd been hoping for some 'drones' (USV's) in the South China Sea mod. Say, an active and armed MOSS or even just a broadcast device for messaging and illumination in the event of lack (or restrained use) of air cover.

KF really destroyed the game by not fixing their initial ranges estimates in the last update. It's so badly broken now as to be almost unplayable.

[GravityWave]

Oddly enough I'm a big (huge) Ed Wood's fan! I've named computer systems Plan_9. It got Golden Turkey awards. I might have to mention that to the JiveOne. I used to have 'Orgy of the Dead' on VHS. It was very bad. Almost classically so. It always reminded me of the Russian submarine design teams.

I'm not sure if links are OK here, so let's find out with an innocent one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Wood_(film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space

If you're going down, go deep!

[Kapitan]

I have quite a few again depends on what your tastes are for me i have a lot of factual books i also have BMB but some like Kursk Down Time to die and Kursk which are 3 books on the same subject but tell it differently.

I tend to steer towards factual books because of the content for me Hostile waters is well one of those that not much is known about, for example in the Film with martin sheen a USN Submarine collides with the K219 as it does in the book (the Offical party line) yet the surviving captain and some crew sued the film makers (like they did with K19 Widow maker Harison ford and Liam neeson) now the only thing that stands out to me that there could have been a collision is the Co Author is a highly respected Soviet submariner Igor Kurdin the story says the submarine sank of its own accord however i do think Britanov scuttled her.

Another good book is Doenitz Memoirs that one for sure will take you some time to get through