Cold War II: The Donald warns Russia of missile strike in Syria

[mapuc]

3-4 days back I said this to a friend

He had written a post about USA threaten to strike Syria

I wrote

If Russia decide to intervene and try to take down the tomahawks or whatever USA have planned to send against Assad, it could be real nasty, ´cause if Russia does this, then they have chosen to take active part on Syrian side against USA and its allied.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If Russia decide to intervene and try to take down the tomahawks or whatever USA have planned to send against Assad, it could be real nasty, ´cause if Russia does this, then they have chosen to take active part on Syrian side against USA and its allied.

Markus

I'm not on the inside looking out, but I think Russia has already promised to do this and that they will not back down.

The Russians see this as a real testing opportunity to see if they can do well in this conflict in order to protect the mother land in a full scale war.

as in other recent skirmishes the USA has allies that agree the use of chemical weapons on your own population is wrong

The only thing that bothers me is who did it and why ... could it be a move to keep American armed forces in Syria? Like others have said why Syria did this doesn't add up. Yet it was missile and it was WMD chemical attack.

I don't think the news tomorrow is going to be good

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I'm not on the inside looking out, but I think Russia has already promised to do this and that they will not back down.

The Russians see this as a real testing opportunity to see if they can do well in this conflict in order to protect the mother land in a full scale war.

as in other recent skirmishes the USA has allies that agree the use of chemical weapons on your own population is wrong

The only thing that bothers me is who did it and why ... could it be a move to keep American armed forces in Syria? Like others have said why Syria did this doesn't add up. Yet it was missile and it was WMD chemical attack.

I don't think the news tomorrow is going to be good

I say they shall investigate it fully before sending those missiles against Assad.

Some hours ago some political expert said on Danish TV
There is not much Russia can do to prevent USA and its allied to strike Syria
He doubted Putin really wanted to take on the entire USA and the west to protect Assad. He think it all have to do with these Russian bases in Syria. Russia is not interested in losing those.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I'm not on the inside looking out, but I think Russia has already promised to do this and that they will not back down.

The Russians see this as a real testing opportunity to see if they can do well in this conflict in order to protect the mother land in a full scale war.

as in other recent skirmishes the USA has allies that agree the use of chemical weapons on your own population is wrong

The only thing that bothers me is who did it and why ... could it be a move to keep American armed forces in Syria? Like others have said why Syria did this doesn't add up. Yet it was missile and it was WMD chemical attack.

I don't think the news tomorrow is going to be good

Assad isn the most likela candidate, but I agree, he is not the only candidate out there. Could be Iran via Hezbollah. Could be any of the "pro-Western" "allied" LOL rebel factions (most of them being radical Islamists themselves). Could even be Turkey, though chances for that I consider to be extremely slim.

I rule out Israel, and Western states. A Kurdish faction I see as a very unlikely candidate, but theoretically possible.

Would the West care if those 500 gassed people would have been killed over the going of one or two weeks, in artillery explosions or more barrel bombs dropped from Syrian or Russian helicopters?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

if Russia does this, then they have chosen to take active part on Syrian side against USA and its allied.

They already do this since very long time, since their committment to Syria began. When was that? Several years back. Before the Russians intervened in strength, Assad was loosing, I recall I posted that I could not imagine that Assad would hold out much longer than just a couple of months now, and that the war is as good as over. That was before the Russians moved in. the Russians keep Assad going and so extend the war. Now the West helpsmout occaisonally the opposition, and by that also extend the war. Russia has clearly defined interests, the Wetsenr interest I only see in preventing Iran and Hezbollah establishing a bridgehead in Syria. strangely, that almost never gets considered in public debate over here. Iran is our friend, it seems. And Israel has no real friends in Europe.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

They already do this since very long time, since their committment to Syria began. When was that? Several years back. Before the Russians intervened in strength, Assad was loosing, I recall I posted that I could not imagine that Assad would hold out much longer than just a couple of months now, and that the war is as good as over. That was before the Russians moved in.

Yes they have chosen to help Assad in this civil war

But as far I know they didn't try to "kill" the tomahawks USA fired against Syria last year, even though USA warned Russia they where coming.

This is what I'm trying to tell/mention/explain

Russia hasn't take an active position on Assad side against USA and its allied

With active I mean use SAM's, AAA and Fighterjets to kill the tomahawks or American and allied fighterjets(If They decide to use fighterjets in the attack against Syria)

Edit:
According to the news here, Prime minister May have given order to English subs, they shall be prepared to launch Tomahawks against Syria

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Russia says they will sink ships, sink subs, shoot down aircraft. That's war.

[em2nought]

Democrats pushing us into a war. lmao

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Democrats pushing us into a war. lmao

Isn't it always the democrats, leftists, liberals, snowflakes, students, gays, lesbians, hippies being responsible for all the baaaaad in the world


But in the moment it looks that Trump just made a U-turn, with his military "reaction within 48 hours" proclaimed on monday.

Now it is like "Trump says U.S. could help Russian economy."
https://www.firstpost.com/world/trum...s-4427933.html

Alzheimer? I'm serious.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Catfish

But in the moment it looks that Trump just made a U-turn, with his military "reaction within 48 hours" proclaimed on monday.

Now it is like "Trump says U.S. could help Russian economy."
https://www.firstpost.com/world/trum...s-4427933.html

Alzheimer? I'm serious.

Your link doesn't show me anything.

But I guess it is referring to this tweet by Trump:

Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War. There is no reason for this. Russia needs us to help with their economy, something that would be very easy to do, and we need all nations to work together. Stop the arms race?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...32798821568513

The tweet before that (an hour earlier) had a different tone:

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...22625440747520

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Isn't it always the democrats, leftists, liberals, snowflakes, being responsible for all the baaaaad in the world

Yep, I'm at the point I'd rather hang out with Putin than any of those folks.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Isn't it always the democrats, leftists, liberals, snowflakes, students, gays, lesbians, hippies being responsible for all the baaaaad in the world

You forgot to include Vegans

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Russia says they will sink ships, sink subs, shoot down aircraft. That's war.

Yes indeed.

I do not think somebody will command to start this, but I worrxy about accidental triggering of something messy. Because with so much military attention concentrated in such a small space, "messy accident" easily can lead to "full war - damn, where has this come from?"

Hope its worth it to the American public. To me, it is not.

I also miss a clear definition of the military objectives and their relevance for the US. Destroying Assad's chemical assets? If that is all it implies that killing civilians is tolerable, on the other hands, as long as carried out by artilllery shelling and barrel bombs only. How cynical is that then?

The Russians want Syria, and different to us they are ready to do all dirty job needed to make sure that they get it. Either we have the balls to confront them with all consequences that brings, or we should step aside. Again my question, what is our military objective that is so clearly defined and so valuable that it justifies to go head on with the Russians? So far, all I hear in the media about this is wishy-washy and sentimentality.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Russia says they will sink ships, sink subs, shoot down aircraft. That's war.

Russia has only said that they will shoot down any missiles fired on Syria not that they will sink ships, sink subs or shoot down aircraft.

Yes, that would surely be the beginning of a war limited to the Med and only God knows what happen next

I think President Trump is waiting for the CIA director Mike Pompeo (in a hearing right now as I type) to be confirmed as the next Secretary of State before he fires on Syria.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Russia has only said that they will shoot down any missiles fired on Syria not that they will sink ships, sink subs or shoot down aircraft.

Yes, that would surely be the beginning of a war limited to the Med and only God knows what happen next

I think President Trump is waiting for the CIA director Mike Pompeo (in a hearing right now as I type) to be confirmed as the next Secretary of State before he fires on Syria.

According to
Russia's ambassador to Lebanon, who said any U.S. missiles fired at Syria would be shot down and the launch sites targeted

For me it does sound like they are not just going to intercept those tomahawks, but also will go after the place/thing from where these missiles was fired from

Markus