Alexander Litvinenko Part II anybody?

[Skybird]

Hate has most likely nothing to do with it, but cool calculation. Its a message to anybody considering to spy on Russia as a double agent: "You can run, but you will pay."

Its the attempt of spionage deterrance.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Hate has most likely nothing to do with it, but cool calculation. Its a message to anybody considering to spy on Russia as a double agent: "You can run, but you will pay."

Its the attempt of spionage deterrance.

Maybe the western intelligence agencies ought to respond in kind. A few Russian big shots end up dead it might give them a reason to reconsider that deterrent.

[mapuc]

If it is Russia who is behind this

The question is what the government in London will do.

The hardest response would be to kick out some Russians diplomats and/or recall the English Ambassador in Russia.

Or as some of you have mentioned.

I don't think the government will use the eye for an eye -thing.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Maybe the western intelligence agencies ought to respond in kind. A few Russian big shots end up dead it might give them a reason to reconsider that deterrent.

Maybe, it then comes down to who is the stronger bully - and what society finds it easier to adapt to the idea that there are own losses. There is a certain shyness spreading in the wEst that will put the West at a disadvantage here. Western outrage at the brutal fighting method in Syria or the "underhandedness" in the Eastern Ukraine operation, illustrate this, and imply that Wetsenr people would find it disgustign to act like that themselves. whicvh might be the reason why the West currently falls back at all burning fronts in the world: war, intel, cyberwar.

Tough games like these simply are not be meant to be played gently and concerned for the opponent's wellbeing.

[Catfish]

"Vladimir Putin as warned Russia's enemies they will 'be served with poison' as police revealed a Russian spy and his daughter were 'targeted specifically' with nerve agent."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ow-poison.html

http://news.trust.org//item/20180309112040-yjhx8/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nked-uk-deaths

[Jimbuna]

Should it be proven that Russia is behind this attack I should imagine the worst that can be expected would be travel bans and the freezing of assets of anyone suspected of being involved. Furthermore, trade sanctions could be imposed which if hard enough would or could reflect badly against Putin as they began to take an economic effect.

The above is purely speculation of course.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Furthermore, trade sanctions could be imposed which if hard enough would or could reflect badly against Putin as they began to take an economic effect.

Isnt the same said about the sanctions already in place since years? It was predicted that Russia already should have financially collapsed, instead their state fiances have improved. It was said their food imports would make them vulnerable, now their food prpductions has grown and solidified. It was said their oil imports are nice prey for sanctions, they meanwhile have signed new deals.

Its Russia we talk of, not some small banana republic in Latin America. There's still some life in that old dog.

[Jimbuna]

So what would you suggest as an alternative?

[Delgard]

It IS cool calculation. It is communication.




---How the communication occurs and what it is entails, well diplomats going home and oligarchs being sanctioned is probably not...fully the answer to eliminating such actions. It just means they try a different way and so that costs in money, labor, and attention. We, as a nation and neighbor in the neighborhood, just don't have those resources, repeatedly. The response should eliminate it from happening again.

The situation is the same in Syria with the use of chem.

[Jimbuna]

Yulia Skripal, the poisoned daughter of Russian ex-spy Sergei, has been discharged from hospital.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43710126

[Jimbuna]

OPCW confirms the obvious: the Skripals are confirmed to have been poisoned by a chemical agent of Russian origin, backing British claims.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43741140

The international chemical weapons watchdog has confirmed the UK's analysis of the type of nerve agent used in the Russian ex-spy poisoning.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons did not name the nerve agent as Novichok, but said it agreed with the UK's findings on its identity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140

[Skybird]

Hi, Jim!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Hi, Jim!

Again!!