Expelled student armed with assault rifle slaughters 17 at Florida high school

[Jeff-Groves]

The fact that the so called system failed at identifying and neutralizing the threat is one thing.

Failure of the so called 'Officers' on the scene? THAT is a whole different ball game!

Try to excuse those 'Officers' as you wish. I have personally met at lest 4 people here at Subsim that I would not want to face if I was the shooter.

We are being feed the 'They are Heros' line and now we see the results that are going to have far reaching impacts.

[Skybird]

Have those inactive guardians already given their reasons why they decided not to aggressively go in? Maybe they indeed only have weaseling excuses, but we should want to be sure that there was nothing that appeared to them as a good reasons not to do right that what they did: keeping in their place. Total confusion about what was going on, and where, and how many.

Just for the sense of complete overview. I mean, blindly running around like a beheaded chicken, or flipping a coin for the right direction to shoot at, everybody can. Doing somethign that indeed makes sense - that might be something different.

Do we know for sure that it was stupidity or cowardice or shock or whatever that has frozen them in place? Ifso, if they were incomoetent, then yes, spank them. If they had some valid reasons, however, well, then it are valid reasons.

I do not want to excuse anyone for anything. Just asking, for I would like to know.

[Skybird]

In the foreigner's perception:

https://translate.google.de/translat...tml&edit-text=

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In the foreigner's perception:

https://translate.google.de/translat...tml&edit-text=

There it is

It's all about power, money and America's original sin - racism.

I stopped there.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

There it is


I stopped there.

You shouldn'T. There is an explanation in history why the authors said that. Civil War. Freeing of Slaves. Firearms in black hands. Whites not wanting that. Dissolving of KKK falling together with founding the NRA. Civil Rights Movement and Anti Vietnam Protest. The fact that school shootings almost always are committed by whites, not blacks.

Did you know that watching the same skyline of the same city from the other end of that city - gives you a completely different sight?

[Rockstar]

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center I don't see any historical 'close ties' to the NRA. I think the Spiegel article shows a certain level of ignorance of American history.

"In fact, the beginning of the Klan involved nothing so sinister, subversive or ancient as the theories supposed. it was the boredom of small-town life that led six young Confederate veterans to gather around a fireplace one December evening in 1865 and form a social club. the place was Pulaski, Tenn., near the Alabama border. when they reassembled a week later, the six young men were full of ideas for their new society. it would be secret, to heighten the amusement of the thing, and the titles for the various offices were to have names as preposterous-sounding as possible, partly for the fun of it and partly to avoid any military or political implications."

The KKK was never meant to be what it is today. It started out as an eccentric social club by six former confederates. Only later did it re-invented itself into the terrorist organization it is today.

The NRA organization was never that. Behavior of some of its members however may be an entirely different story.

Just because Cruz was a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It doesn't mean every one else there is as sick or evil as he is.

[vienna]

The source for the above:

Ku Klux Klan - A History of Racism and Violence (6th Ed., 2011) --

(Website Version)

https://www.splcenter.org/20110228/k...history-racism

(PDF Version)

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...-of-Racism.pdf


The essay has these paragraphs following a bit after the previously quoted passage:

Soon after the founders named the Klan, they decided to do a bit of showing off, and so disguised themselves in sheets and galloped their horses through the quiet streets of tiny Pulaski. their ride created such a stir that the men decided to adopt the sheets as the official regalia of the Ku Klux Klan, and they added to the effect by donning grotesque masks and tall pointed hats. They also performed elaborate initiation ceremonies for new members. Similar to the hazing popular in college fraternities, the ceremony consisted of blindfolding the candidate, subjecting him to a series of silly oaths and rough handling, and finally bringing him before a “royal altar” where he was to be invested with a “royal crown.” the altar turned out to be a mirror and the crown two large donkey’s ears. Ridiculous though it sounds today, that was the high point of the earliest activities of the Ku Klux Klan.

Had that been all there was to the Ku Klux Klan, it probably would have disappeared as quietly as it was born. But at some point in early 1866, the club added new members from nearby towns and began to have a chilling effect on local blacks. The intimidating night rides were soon the centerpiece of the hooded order: bands of white-sheeted ghouls paid late night visits to black homes, admonishing the terrified occupants to behave themselves and threatening more visits if they didn’t. It didn’t take long for the threats to be converted into violence against blacks who insisted on exercising their new rights and freedom. Before its six founders realized what had happened, the Ku Klux Klan had become something they may not have originally intended — something deadly serious.

As with many aspects of life, it isn't what someone or something starts out as that's ultimately important, it what they are or have become that really matters; I'm sure Nazism just started with a bunch of guys bitching over beers; if that was all they did, no one would care...

On the other hand, a bunch of guys in New England bitched over ales and decided to to do something positive about their gripes and, in the end, we have our nation. Don't know about you, but I'm more impressed with the New Englanders than I could ever possibly be with those "silly" ex-Confederates and their sympathizers...










<O>

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center I don't see any historical 'close ties' to the NRA. I think the Spiegel article shows a certain level of ignorance of American history. [...]

Whether the 'Spiegel' shows ignorance about american history.. i think you do. The relatively short history of the USA shows close ties to weapons and malevolent behaviour, it is even called gun culture by its very inhabitants. Maybe the NRA has absolutely nothing to do with the shootings (what i seriously doubt regarding propagating public access, allowances and financing "ego shooters" (what a perfectly fitting name b.t.w.) for "gamers"), but whatever: the very beginnings and existence of something like the NRA is exactly one example of the problem and the general mindset. This alone has not much to do with the KKK, i agree. But "you" do not even want to see the problem that lies behind, but instead arm all teachers and pupils? How sick is this?

[Jimbuna]

Several US companies have cut ties with the National Rifle Association (NRA) amid calls for a boycott of businesses linked to the powerful gun lobby in the wake of the Florida school shooting.

The firms include car rental giants Hertz and Enterprise, which had offered discounts for NRA members.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43173753

An inevitable consequence I reckon

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Have those inactive guardians already given their reasons why they decided not to aggressively go in? Maybe they indeed only have weaseling excuses, but we should want to be sure that there was nothing that appeared to them as a good reasons not to do right that what they did: keeping in their place. Total confusion about what was going on, and where, and how many.

Just for the sense of complete overview. I mean, blindly running around like a beheaded chicken, or flipping a coin for the right direction to shoot at, everybody can. Doing somethign that indeed makes sense - that might be something different.

Do we know for sure that it was stupidity or cowardice or shock or whatever that has frozen them in place? Ifso, if they were incomoetent, then yes, spank them. If they had some valid reasons, however, well, then it are valid reasons.

I do not want to excuse anyone for anything. Just asking, for I would like to know.

Let's see.
They are Sworn to serve and protect. Failed on both those points no matter the reasoning.

I'm pretty sure you'd not need to flip a coin on which direction to shoot!
Hear and follow the gun shots. If the perp at the source is not dressed like you? KILL the SOB!! They are supposedly trained LEO's after all.

Perhaps they wanted someone kneeling on a floor begging not to be shot before they wanted to shoot him dead. That has happened in the U.S.A.
Even that LEO was not convicted of a crime so what did they have to fear?
Oh! I might get hurt!!!

[Jeff-Groves]

Since September 2001 LEO's have been called Heroes just for doing their jobs.

Broward County just crushed that seeing that they couldn't or wouldn't do their job when needed in a drastic way.

Sorry LEO's. None of you are Heroes any longer until you prove it on an individual basis. Suck it up Butter Cups! Your just another Guy doing a job.

[Platapus]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...gress-money-no

An interesting article on the political power of the NRA and how it is not about the small percentage of donations.

[Jeff-Groves]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Let's see.
They are Sworn to serve and protect. Failed on both those points no matter the reasoning.

I'm pretty sure you'd not need to flip a coin on which direction to shoot!
Hear and follow the gun shots. If the perp at the source is not dressed like you? KILL the SOB!! They are supposedly trained LEO's after all.

Perhaps they wanted someone kneeling on a floor begging not to be shot before they wanted to shoot him dead. That has happened in the U.S.A.
Even that LEO was not convicted of a crime so what did they have to fear?
Oh! I might get hurt!!!

Have you even understood what I asked for?

[Platapus]

Easy way to the the NRA to accept gun control legislation.

All you gotta do is put in a clause requiring all gun owners to become NRA members and require all gun owners to take an NRA course.

Once the NRA realizes how much money they can make , I think we will be surprised at how quickly the NRA can change its agenda.