Putin is turning Russia back into USSR

[Wildcat]

>Neither does capitalism IMHO, although its had a good run so far<

Sorry, but capitalism is in full swing in nearly every 'western' country on the planet, and it is a complete success. The mark of modernization and success of all developing countries is to adopt a western system of capitalization. It's not a 'political ideology' like communism is. Capitalism is simply free trade that is not interfered with, it was a naturally occuring thing. Each country has their own take on how the government interacts with the economy but in the end the economy controls the country, and the people control the economy.

Capitalism is a complete success, has been instated fully in most parts of the modern world and is basically the only proven workable way to sustain a modern nation. Those who don't accept that get left in the dust. Most countries with capitalism are also democracies but there are exceptions like China.

There are no shortcomings produced by capitalism, only by the people who control the economy. The people are not forced to any ideology, capitalism means free economy. There is nothing stopping people from inventing new ideas or new ways of reducing environmental impact or whatever. If they DID something like that, they could capitalise on it and expand the economy even further.

You don't get something like that with communism. Capitalism + true democracy is basically the only realistic way to go in the modern world. Anything else is bound to suffer major setbacks. Watch China when the privately owned corporations become too powerful for the government.

[Type941]

Originally Posted by August

So? From what i understand Russia has released more radioactive fallout than any other country in history and generally does its polluting on land. Both it's own and in the former USSR satellite countries.

From what I understand that doesn't make it ok for US to ignore its detrimental effect on world environment TODAY, August, TODAY. Gosh we've been over this but the nationalist on the other side of the pond will never change until :|\

[Type941]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Yes, this was a bad choice.

Ok, not a laughing matter, but that's at you: :rotfl:

You guys speak of Putin's decision as if it was clear cut thing. All reports point to that the escape hatch was jammed and regardles of whom would try to open it, it was not possible to save people there. The way it ended, cold death after hours in water is awful. Saying Putin could have actually saved them is just putting them blame on him for something he had really no control over. But no, the only thing clear to you is the opened hatch footage showing bubbles coming out, implying people lived there for ages. Don't mix politics with reality.
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Meanwhile, Estonia* in another attempt to appologise farshism of 1940s have forbidden all soviet symbols in Estonia. That includes red flags, CCCP tshirts, desmatlement of soviet monuments (one on a mass grave in center of Tallinn was painted over by vandals last night while government does nothing about it and silently agrees)

and even sickle and hammer are now forbidden to own. At the same time a nazi monument is being looked after in a small town in Estonia, which brings Waffen SS legion soldeirs who fought against red army and participated in mass murdering of civilians along with nazis. 1 month ago, one of former members of the legion, whose name shall not be said, was let go by court even though the leading holocoust organization was pressing charges against him. In Estonia he was more or less a hero. The organization says they'll get him anyway. The country's population of about 1.2 milion still has about 300000 people (majority of which are russians, pensioneers, etc) who have a grey passport (Alien) and no citizenship rights for more than 15 years, even though many of these people were born and lived all their life in Estonia. Russia in Estonia often called as Turk in Germany. EU closes its eyes on overwhelming minority human rights violation on its own territory.




Nice, huh?

Tell me more about Democracy in European Union. Please, I beg you.


*Estonia is part of EU, but its actions and opinions expressed may be different to those of other countries in European Union.

[Kapitan]

Kursk sailors lived only for about 8 hours autopsys show they died of coarbon monoxide poisioning and suffocation, many of them said bodys were badly burnt and the cause.

Air purification filter fell into oily water and caught light a known problem and its not unique to russia all modern submarines carry them.

The escape hatch wasnt jammed it was perfect working order, by the time the ships were over head on the first day the crew had just 2 hours to live, by the time any salvage vessel got there they were long dead.

[CCIP]

I'm glad Type941 brought up the case of the Baltic "revisionists". And I was honestly disgusted to find that a little book by the Estonian SS legion was in my library, having been sponsored for production by the Canadian government here. For all the wrong that the USSR may have done, it's completely inexcusable to do this.

[Kapitan]

was it next to a book called mien kampf? germany did some barbaric things as well so you cant shift everything onto the USSR.

[Type941]

Certain ignorant revanshists here don't seem to get through their thick skulls what role Hitler had prepared for them...

But it gives hope . Because it confirms that history CAN be forgotten when necessary. Pics on previous page though tell that now it's not there yet.

[Kapitan]

according to what i believe americans think that money can buy everything history has taught us this.

They bought london bridge from us because they wanted a bit of history

The only realy came into the war (WW1) because they were forced by friends

The came into WW2 because the japs bombed pearl harbour and then hitler declared war.

They tried making a film to prove they found the enigma machine first and fail

They try and write other countrys history books and tell them what happend even before america existed

long list.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

They tried making a film to prove they found the enigma machine first and fail

Yes one lousy movie even Americans don't like is all part of our massive conspiracy to take over the world. Oh lets not forget Operation, Burma! The war wasn’t even over and we were rewriting history already.

Give me a break Kapitan your even more paranoid than usual.

[Kapitan]

Ive got alot of issues on my mind right at this moment so no wonder.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

according to what i believe americans think that money can buy everything history has taught us this.

They bought london bridge from us because they wanted a bit of history

The only realy came into the war (WW1) because they were forced by friends

The came into WW2 because the japs bombed pearl harbour and then hitler declared war.

They tried making a film to prove they found the enigma machine first and fail

They try and write other countrys history books and tell them what happend even before america existed

long list.

I'm going with TLAM on this one. This is way off. I understand that you do not like America or Americans, but there is plenty of factual statements to rail against them/us. You don't need to invent anything.

If you'll excuse me, I have a stack of Ukranian history textbooks to complete.

[Type941]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If you'll excuse me, I have a stack of Ukranian history textbooks to complete.

Wrong, don't lose focus. You know you have a few weeks left till you can form the Ukranian government. Luckily, the new ambassador is on the task anyway, but you should weigh in as well.

And sadly, this isn't a joke, US is forming ukranian government. Whole fekin country is gonna be in sh*t thanks to your 'america democracy' - the black plague of 21st century.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Type941

Whole fekin country is gonna be in sh*t thanks to your 'america democracy' - the black plague of 21st century.

Excuse me, my American democracy? Do I call it your socialist oligarchy? I'll thank you not to personalize this.

[Kapitan]

I have nothing against the american people just your overpowering government who seems to think they know whats best for everyone on earth and frankly as weve seen they dont.

Also none of that was invented

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

I have nothing against the american people just your overpowering government who seems to think they know whats best for everyone on earth and frankly as weve seen they dont.

Then perhaps you should stop making broad, sweeping statements such as:

according to what i believe americans think that money can buy everything history has taught us this.

This implies all Americans, myself included. I am not trying to buy anything. Next time, say America or the American government.

Also none of that was invented

Really? U-571 was produced and released by Universal Pictures in an effort to rewrite history? London Bridge was purchased on a larf? A massive global textbook revision is underway? Peer pressure was the primary cause for the US's entry into the first Wold War? America had no involvement in the affairs of the second World War prior to 7 December, 1941?

You have distorted all of the above well beyond the boundaries of reason.