Computers threatened by getting slowed down by up to 30% due to necessary patches... - Page 2

Gargamel · 01-07-18, 08:16 PM

Skybird · 01-08-18, 08:05 AM

The reports on AMD systems booting right into a BSOD after installing KB4056982, widened and now are not just about Win7 anymore, but also Win10 1709. Most affected are owners of Athlon, Sempron, Opteron and Turion CPUs. But generally all AMD chips tend to be at risk.

If you are owning an AMD, stay away from KB4056982 and make sure your Windows updater does not install it behind your back.

The problem manifestates itself by that when you boot your system warm or cold, you get a BSOD after just one or two seconds. You get an error code either 0X000000C4 or 0X800F0845.

If you own an intel system, stay away from KB4056982 either, at least as long as unvoluntary Beta testing for Microsoft is not your passion.

mapuc · 01-08-18, 01:23 PM

I have AMD Radeon on my computer.

I don't know if the blue screen I got some weeks ago have anything to do with this patch

When I got this blue screen, I was expecting to read "Thread stock in device driver" but instead I read

"dpc watchdog violation"

This was a new type of stop code.

Made a search for this and discovered it had something to do with my graphic card.

Markus

Catfish · 01-08-18, 01:44 PM

^ this may be related to the latest Radeon card 'crimson' driver update.

Jimbuna · 01-08-18, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ this may be related to the latest Radeon card 'crimson' driver update.

I could give an alternative potentialcause but then I'd have to infract mesel

Mr Quatro · 01-08-18, 02:02 PM

My amd radeon card is always trying to get me to update, but I don't respond.

If it works don't fix it ...

How do you stop Win 7 update? It doesn't ask me it just does it, but not that one sky posted yet ...

STEED · 01-09-18, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Microsoft pulls security update that freezes PCs

https://news.sky.com/story/microsoft...s-pcs-11201393

What a bunch of spanners.

Too busy snooping than fixing.

propbeanie · 01-09-18, 03:12 PM

Now, how do they propose a person "roll-back" their computer if it doesn't boot? When I tried one of their fancy "snapshots", the "emergency start-up" couldn't find one... fine job Uncle Bill, fine job... I going to convert the box to Linux anyway. Just doing it a little earlier than planned... My favorite part about all of this is that I cannot find any documentation on Core 2 Duo machines being affected, so my OS did NOT ~need~ an update. I have automatic updates turned OFF... ~HOW~ did it install an update?... but I can see it from the command prompt... I was much more successful in thwarting their Win10 install than I was this.

Mr Quatro · 01-09-18, 05:16 PM

MS tried to install KB4056894 today, but it said that it failed ... so thanks to Sky I turned off auto update

d@rk51d3 · 01-09-18, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

MS tried to install KB4056894 today, but it said that it failed ... so thanks to Sky I turned off auto update

Double check. In many cases, the fail message is a fail in itself.

Skybird · 01-09-18, 09:02 PM

I still think private users probably do not miss anything if delaying this patch. Its not as if the vuln erabilties intorduced by Meltdowna nd Spectre, of which there are now over one dozewn attack options known I think, can hit orivate users easily. The attacker needs his code on your PC in order to extract that data from forbidden memory sources.

Behave and by that reduce the probability of this code reaching you. That way your risk probably is smaller than if you risk to trust in Microsoft.

Linux Ubuntu and Mint should start to get new Kernels these days. But not even there I am in a hurry.

What I noticed, however, is that on quite soem websites in the past two days, response times by servers have gone way up. Occasional slow traffic at timers odf a day's high traffic phase, that is something one is used to, but this is too widespread and too general currently as if I would accept that reference as an explanation. I think those patches they applied make themselves known by degrading server performance. These patches, if they should have an mitigating effect, necessarily must slow down processor performances, you cannot avoid that, its the nature of this kind of patching that is needed. Private PCs so far do not feel much - server farms however: that is something else, there many small degradations add up.

They have plenty, plenty, plenty of optimization work to do there. Or replace hardware.

Skybird · 01-09-18, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

https://news.sky.com/story/microsoft...s-pcs-11201393

What a bunch of spanners.

Too busy snooping than fixing.

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...computers.html

How unexpected.

Eichhörnchen · 01-10-18, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

HD is the best storage device (even before CD/DVD), because even if it breaks down, you still have a good chance that data can be retrieved by a specialist, if it is vital for you. USB sticks tend to break the moment when you can need it the last. SSD in principle are big, faster USB sticks. I mean, flash ROM is quite vulnerable. I do not really trust it.

If you do not desperately depend on fast speed, a HD with solid USB 3.0 connection.

And backup copies on a secondary, depending on your data value: tertiary device, DVD, stick.

When it comes to just editing texts and photos, speed is no argument, the data files are simply to small. Even a rewritable CD then will do.

I keep backup of all important stuff on an auxiliary HD which never goes anywhere near the internet. But I didn't know that USB sticks can 'break'... how can that happen? No moving parts...

Catfish · 01-10-18, 05:17 AM

^ USB sticks, like SSDs, can store data for a long time; but the problem are changes of the data. If you use such a device for everyday changes, they will fail at some point. Data on such "fixed" devices (or better their memory blocks) can only be overwritten for a limited number of times (like with rewritabled CDs/DVDs, the technology is a bit different but has similar problems).

Best is really to store important data on HDs. The problem here is that the adaptors/ports/connectors change over time. This is due to improved hardware (inside computers back then IDE, SCSI, SATA, next .. what ?), or USB 2, 3, ..next? a.s.o..

So to keep data you have to regularly update the data storage devices, and copy the data to the newer ones. This is b.t.w. a big problem for museums etc., some say our times will become known as the "low information age", because data of this time stored in contemporary devices will not be accessible in a few decades from now – either because the storage containers broke down (like with CDs appx. 20 years of usability, or HDs with appx. 5 years until first errors and later failure) or because there will be no new computers being able to connect to the old hardware.
Microsoft has already given up on downward compatibility in a lot of cases, and this is the only company that at least used to think about that.

Eichhörnchen · 01-10-18, 05:25 AM

I didn't know that about USB sticks... I presume you mean after the storage capacity has been reached?

This one of mine is not even half full of squirrels, so I guess you mean that once it's full then I can only change the squirrels for new ones a limited number of times?

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,740 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The reports on AMD systems booting right into a BSOD after installing KB4056982, widened and now are not just about Win7 anymore, but also Win10 1709. Most affected are owners of Athlon, Sempron, Opteron and Turion CPUs. But generally all AMD chips tend to be at risk. If you are owning an AMD, stay away from KB4056982 and make sure your Windows updater does not install it behind your back. The problem manifestates itself by that when you boot your system warm or cold, you get a BSOD after just one or two seconds. You get an error code either 0X000000C4 or 0X800F0845. If you own an intel system, stay away from KB4056982 either, at least as long as unvoluntary Beta testing for Microsoft is not your passion. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 01-08-18 at 08:15 AM.

01-08-18, 01:44 PM	#19
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,814 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ this may be related to the latest Radeon card 'crimson' driver update. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

01-08-18, 02:02 PM	#21
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My amd radeon card is always trying to get me to update, but I don't respond. If it works don't fix it ... How do you stop Win 7 update? It doesn't ask me it just does it, but not that one sky posted yet ... __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

01-09-18, 03:12 PM	#23
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,117 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Now, how do they propose a person "roll-back" their computer if it doesn't boot? When I tried one of their fancy "snapshots", the "emergency start-up" couldn't find one... fine job Uncle Bill, fine job... I going to convert the box to Linux anyway. Just doing it a little earlier than planned... My favorite part about all of this is that I cannot find any documentation on Core 2 Duo machines being affected, so my OS did NOT ~need~ an update. I have automatic updates turned OFF... ~HOW~ did it install an update?... but I can see it from the command prompt... I was much more successful in thwarting their Win10 install than I was this. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

01-08-18, 01:23 PM	#18
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,589 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I have AMD Radeon on my computer. I don't know if the blue screen I got some weeks ago have anything to do with this patch When I got this blue screen, I was expecting to read "Thread stock in device driver" but instead I read "dpc watchdog violation" This was a new type of stop code. Made a search for this and discovered it had something to do with my graphic card. Markus

01-09-18, 05:16 PM	#24
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	MS tried to install KB4056894 today, but it said that it failed ... so thanks to Sky I turned off auto update __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

01-09-18, 09:02 PM	#26
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,740 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I still think private users probably do not miss anything if delaying this patch. Its not as if the vuln erabilties intorduced by Meltdowna nd Spectre, of which there are now over one dozewn attack options known I think, can hit orivate users easily. The attacker needs his code on your PC in order to extract that data from forbidden memory sources. Behave and by that reduce the probability of this code reaching you. That way your risk probably is smaller than if you risk to trust in Microsoft. Linux Ubuntu and Mint should start to get new Kernels these days. But not even there I am in a hurry. What I noticed, however, is that on quite soem websites in the past two days, response times by servers have gone way up. Occasional slow traffic at timers odf a day's high traffic phase, that is something one is used to, but this is too widespread and too general currently as if I would accept that reference as an explanation. I think those patches they applied make themselves known by degrading server performance. These patches, if they should have an mitigating effect, necessarily must slow down processor performances, you cannot avoid that, its the nature of this kind of patching that is needed. Private PCs so far do not feel much - server farms however: that is something else, there many small degradations add up. They have plenty, plenty, plenty of optimization work to do there. Or replace hardware. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-10-18, 05:17 AM	#29
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,814 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ USB sticks, like SSDs, can store data for a long time; but the problem are changes of the data. If you use such a device for everyday changes, they will fail at some point. Data on such "fixed" devices (or better their memory blocks) can only be overwritten for a limited number of times (like with rewritabled CDs/DVDs, the technology is a bit different but has similar problems). Best is really to store important data on HDs. The problem here is that the adaptors/ports/connectors change over time. This is due to improved hardware (inside computers back then IDE, SCSI, SATA, next .. what ?), or USB 2, 3, ..next? a.s.o.. So to keep data you have to regularly update the data storage devices, and copy the data to the newer ones. This is b.t.w. a big problem for museums etc., some say our times will become known as the "low information age", because data of this time stored in contemporary devices will not be accessible in a few decades from now – either because the storage containers broke down (like with CDs appx. 20 years of usability, or HDs with appx. 5 years until first errors and later failure) or because there will be no new computers being able to connect to the old hardware. Microsoft has already given up on downward compatibility in a lot of cases, and this is the only company that at least used to think about that. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 01-10-18 at 05:33 AM.*

01-10-18, 05:25 AM	#30
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,488 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I didn't know that about USB sticks... I presume you mean after the storage capacity has been reached? This one of mine is not even half full of squirrels, so I guess you mean that once it's full then I can only change the squirrels for new ones a limited number of times? __________________ Last edited by Eichhörnchen; 01-10-18 at 05:36 AM.