Computers threatened by getting slowed down by up to 30% due to necessary patches...

Skybird · 01-03-18, 09:11 PM

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16...w-bug-response
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16...windows-10-fix

Windows patches for ARM, AMD and Intel CPUs are now in the wild.

In fact a whole armada of patches is reported by some admins to come in, outside the usual timeline of Microsoft.

It also gets vrpeported by some people that if AV is not compatible with these patches, they will not install automatically. Woody Leonhard's well-known blog is at Defcon 2, so status and quality of these patches also currently is unknown and unconfirmed.

Its all a damn nasty and confused mess. Currently companies start to point fingers at each other, maybe breaking communication embargos to save themselves.

What a FUBAR mess.

Its important to understand that there can be no repair and no fixing of this problem, it is a hardware-based issue that cannot get fixed - except by replacing all affected CPUs and mainboard chips. Whatever is being applied in software fixings, is and can only be a workaround.

Skybird · 01-04-18, 08:35 AM

Benchmarking the i7 8700K pre and post update. Gaming seems to be unaffected, but 4k reading from SSD takes a 20-25% dive in speed.

Desktop user sin generla may not see too worrying differences, but for server centers, single effects could add up and accumulate to severe final end effects (performance drops).

For Intel, who already had AMD breathing down their neck last year, this is a nasty kick into their family jewels.

Skybird · 01-07-18, 06:58 AM

For the time being: avoid, avoid, avoid.

https://www.askwoody.com/2018/multip...up-kb-4056894/

propbeanie · 01-07-18, 04:59 PM

... and I keep getting prompted on my Win7 systems to install the dad-blamed thing, even though I have MS updates turned off... Skybird, have you read anything about this affecting older Core 2 Duo machines? All I can find is stuff on the iCore stuff... ??

Skybird · 01-07-18, 07:02 PM

Wowh, that is an old CPU. I remembere that some days ago there was something on KB4056894 endlessly reinstalling from beginning, but I cannot find or remember anymore where it was, I think it was under Windows 7. But probably not related to that old processor.

What I remember is thnat the guy said he was prompted to install the opatch, but could not hide or suprerss it. Cannot recall anymore whether he was on W7 or W10. He finally got it fixed, somehow, the prompt got superssed/hidden - but he was some IT pro with lots of knowledge.

Windows 7 has gotten increasing problems and troubles with regular updates over the past 12 months or so, however. It seems Microsoft is determined to mess patching up wherever it can.

Sorry, I cannot help.

Skybird · 01-07-18, 07:06 PM

I wonder what all the AMD users do who got locked out their systems after installing KB4056894, which makes many AMD systems BSODing on booting - the patch comes as regular Windows monthly quality rollup patch, mind you, not evcen clearly mentioning in its description what it is, just the usual stereotypic empty phrases and text blocks that mean nothing anymore these days.

Gargamel · 01-07-18, 08:16 PM

01-03-18, 09:11 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16...w-bug-response https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16...windows-10-fix Windows patches for ARM, AMD and Intel CPUs are now in the wild. In fact a whole armada of patches is reported by some admins to come in, outside the usual timeline of Microsoft. It also gets vrpeported by some people that if AV is not compatible with these patches, they will not install automatically. Woody Leonhard's well-known blog is at Defcon 2, so status and quality of these patches also currently is unknown and unconfirmed. Its all a damn nasty and confused mess. Currently companies start to point fingers at each other, maybe breaking communication embargos to save themselves. What a FUBAR mess. Its important to understand that there can be no repair and no fixing of this problem, it is a hardware-based issue that cannot get fixed - except by replacing all affected CPUs and mainboard chips. Whatever is being applied in software fixings, is and can only be a workaround. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-04-18, 08:35 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Benchmarking the i7 8700K pre and post update. Gaming seems to be unaffected, but 4k reading from SSD takes a 20-25% dive in speed. Desktop user sin generla may not see too worrying differences, but for server centers, single effects could add up and accumulate to severe final end effects (performance drops). For Intel, who already had AMD breathing down their neck last year, this is a nasty kick into their family jewels. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-07-18, 06:58 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	For the time being: avoid, avoid, avoid. https://www.askwoody.com/2018/multip...up-kb-4056894/ __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-07-18, 04:59 PM	#4
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,100 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	... and I keep getting prompted on my Win7 systems to install the dad-blamed thing, even though I have MS updates turned off... Skybird, have you read anything about this affecting older Core 2 Duo machines? All I can find is stuff on the iCore stuff... ?? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

01-07-18, 07:02 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Wowh, that is an old CPU. I remembere that some days ago there was something on KB4056894 endlessly reinstalling from beginning, but I cannot find or remember anymore where it was, I think it was under Windows 7. But probably not related to that old processor. What I remember is thnat the guy said he was prompted to install the opatch, but could not hide or suprerss it. Cannot recall anymore whether he was on W7 or W10. He finally got it fixed, somehow, the prompt got superssed/hidden - but he was some IT pro with lots of knowledge. Windows 7 has gotten increasing problems and troubles with regular updates over the past 12 months or so, however. It seems Microsoft is determined to mess patching up wherever it can. Sorry, I cannot help. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-07-18, 07:06 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I wonder what all the AMD users do who got locked out their systems after installing KB4056894, which makes many AMD systems BSODing on booting - the patch comes as regular Windows monthly quality rollup patch, mind you, not evcen clearly mentioning in its description what it is, just the usual stereotypic empty phrases and text blocks that mean nothing anymore these days. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-07-18, 08:16 PM	#7
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	__________________ Luck is a residue of Design.