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Old 01-02-18, 04:23 PM   #11
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I was never in Iran, but i know a lot of people who came here to study, and do not want to go back ever. Which is also a reason why the situation in Iran does not improve so much.

But demonstrations in Iran wanting a clerical regime with a bit of more luxury like internet etc. is not true. The demonstrations were indeed initially started by followers of conservative religious leader Khameini, to battle against reformer Rouhani who's actions are not liked by the conservative regime; but they did not see the result coming. People are now not only for more reforms, they now directly demonstrate against Khameini and his dictatorship as they directly call it, they want an iranian republic, not an islamic legislation or clerical rulership.

"Keep out, it's their problem." Yes, maybe. We can of course let the Russians have their game, as in Syriah. But just of all this time i think Trump may be right..

Regarding blaming all on Obama, please.. look at what the oil industry coupled with national interests of England and the US did in just of all in this region decades ago. Like with Palestine and Israel one might say.. broken promises.. think of the Shah's inthronisation in Persia/Iran and his dictatorship under western influence, the torturing and suppression; the roots of hate are much deeper. Islamic dictators use the past to create hate in the people of today, and it is no wonder this falls on fertile ground.

Obama had tried, maybe naive, to extend a hand to the islamic world, trying to create a basis for pacifying the Middle East and ease the general situation, deal with hate and start a dialogue.
For a lot of Americans it was a confession of guilt, and thus Obama was a "traitor". He of course was not, he just dared to speak out what is well known, if not expressed publicly.
For the Middle East they just did not believe an american president whatever the name or political side after decades of being fooled by the US, and their interventions. And after Obama is gone, its seems they are right.

First England and then the US have gradually stepped back from intervening. Bush started it, then Obama, and now Trump was thought of isolating America even more, and retreat completely. It looks different now, but then it's only tweets, no action.

There will be no peace until the "West" takes responsibility for its actions in the past. Obama was much too early, if it ever will happen at all. The alternative is the status quo with all battling all and.. cheap oil
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