For those who feel their vote does not matter

vienna · 12-20-17, 05:42 PM

A perfect example of how much each vote does count. It reminds of the old saying:

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“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost,
For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”

I'd bet the Virginia GOP is wishing it had a couple of more "nails" turn out at the election. The hold of any one party anywhere is fully dependent on those of their party actually getting to the voting booth. Even if your party/candidate/issue fails to win, at least you can be secure in the knowledge you at least had a voice in the choice. The right to vote in the US was hard won (some had to fight longer and harder to get their right to vote) and is not a right to be taken lightly. It also not to be taken lightly when some seek to deny or abridge the right to vote to satisfy a particular partisan goal, desire or prejudice. If you are of age to vote and you meet the qualifications to vote, be sure you exercise your right. There are o lot of places in this world where our right to vote is envied...

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u crank · 12-20-17, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I'd bet the Virginia GOP is wishing it had a couple of more "nails" turn out at the election. The hold of any one party anywhere is fully dependent on those of their party actually getting to the voting booth.

I guess that happens. Like the 2016 Presidential election. Sometimes people don't like either candidate and don't vote. Who that hurts depends on a lot of variables but mostly the most disliked candidate will pay the price.

vienna · 12-20-17, 06:34 PM

..and the most disliked usually gets neither a majority or plurality...

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Platapus · 12-20-17, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

There are o lot of places in this world where our right to vote is envied...
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There are places in the world where people are literally dying for a chance to vote.

vienna · 12-20-17, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

There are places in the world where people are literally dying for a chance to vote.

Amen to that. We should also remember it was only 50 or so years ago some American citizens, in this country, actually did die trying to secure their right to vote...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_...gomery_marches

People Died So I Could Vote --

http://time.com/3423102/people-died-so-i-could-vote/

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Platapus · 12-20-17, 07:11 PM

Well one should not enumerate one's gallus domesticus until the consummation of the incubation period has occurred.

A state judge has verified one additional Republican vote in the 94th. Unless another vote can be verified it may come down to a coin toss.

Yikes

I am awaiting news on how this judge made this decision though. I hope it is nothing shady.

Skybird · 12-21-17, 06:29 AM

Yu deceive yourself, allowing emotions to replace sober thinking here just because it was a close call - as if that really would mean anything! Your vote is worth 1 divided by total number of ballots. And if you, the individual, would not have gone voting, the result still would be the same.

When you yell at a time of heavy traffic, nobody will hear you. Do it in the night when evertyhing is silent, and you will be heard. Now this may lead you to thinking that at night you yell louder and that the world listens to your precious voice. But you deceive yourself on your own relevance there.

And other, basic and profound problems ith general elections and letting every Peter and every Paul have his say on something he has no clue of, are not even tackled here.

The problem also is the very system itself that is behind it, and that you legitimise by the mere act of voting, it doe snot matter which party you choose or which candidate. Give your ballot, purifiy yourself and go to heaven - and enable the crooks and gangsters in the background to continue with what they have done all the time.

Trump or Clinton - that is not the core of things. Thats just they cosmetical surface.

u crank · 12-21-17, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And other, basic and profound problems ith general elections and letting every Peter and every Paul have his say on something he has no clue of, are not even tackled here.

What do you suggest?

ikalugin · 12-21-17, 08:58 AM

I think this is more of a problem in the first past the post/winner takes it all system vs proportional system.

Skybird · 12-21-17, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

What do you suggest?

Bypassing political parasitical castes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

Just to wave at one possible direction without writing long novels once again.

Also, again, these links:

http://jasonfbrennan.com/book/ethics-voting
http://jasonfbrennan.com/en/book/against-democracy
https://mises.org/library/democracy-god-failed-1

12-20-17, 06:34 PM	#3
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12-20-17, 07:11 PM	#6
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well one should not enumerate one's gallus domesticus until the consummation of the incubation period has occurred. A state judge has verified one additional Republican vote in the 94th. Unless another vote can be verified it may come down to a coin toss. Yikes I am awaiting news on how this judge made this decision though. I hope it is nothing shady. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-21-17, 06:29 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,682 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yu deceive yourself, allowing emotions to replace sober thinking here just because it was a close call - as if that really would mean anything! Your vote is worth 1 divided by total number of ballots. And if you, the individual, would not have gone voting, the result still would be the same. When you yell at a time of heavy traffic, nobody will hear you. Do it in the night when evertyhing is silent, and you will be heard. Now this may lead you to thinking that at night you yell louder and that the world listens to your precious voice. But you deceive yourself on your own relevance there. And other, basic and profound problems ith general elections and letting every Peter and every Paul have his say on something he has no clue of, are not even tackled here. The problem also is the very system itself that is behind it, and that you legitimise by the mere act of voting, it doe snot matter which party you choose or which candidate. Give your ballot, purifiy yourself and go to heaven - and enable the crooks and gangsters in the background to continue with what they have done all the time. Trump or Clinton - that is not the core of things. Thats just they cosmetical surface. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I think this is more of a problem in the first past the post/winner takes it all system vs proportional system. __________________ Grumpy as always.