GER politics thread - Page 30

Jimbuna · 11-21-17, 07:49 AM

How about a swap....May for Merkel?

11-21-17, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

They all should go and make room for people who were not bred from the parties' systems and established networks...

Such as?

The only thing that would prevent Germany from vanishing soon would be a new totalitarian regime with absolute power that corrects a decade of utter negligence with an iron and, unfortunately but necessarily, inhumane fist, throwing out what doesn't belong here to save what's left from the German people.

But that will not happen, of course, and it would also just be another extreme, leading to other problems... I think we all know enough about the 30's and 40's of the last century.
However, this is the only thing that could undo what has been done, as no democratic party could do what is necessary to stop this madness due to our negligent/inconsistent basic laws alone.
The seed of evil has been planted, and soon we will reap what we have sown. Germany, and the Germans, will vanish and the new "Germans" will be part of an ideology that has nothing to do with what Germany is, has been, or ever wanted to be.

This is probably the most extreme thing I have ever said, politically, and the thing that shocks me most is not that I said it, but that I might be right in the end. And I do not like it.

STEED · 11-21-17, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

How about a swap....May for Merkel?

NAFF OFF TO THAT.

I rather have Reece.

Catfish · 12-07-17, 09:46 AM

Good article about the EU, problems but also why it was the preserver of the national states; in german:

http://www.zeit.de/2017/49/eu-werte-...reform/seite-1

Skybird · 12-07-17, 10:13 AM

And my reply to that:

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/edis_e...chulden_Ballon

You thought it could not get worse after the EMS? Wrong you thought.

And Germany's agony, an Ancien Regime not wanting to die:

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/merkels_letztes_aufgebot

Socialist redistribution schemes and planned economy - that is what the EU is about. That also is what most likely in my opinion and the opinion of a few historians and economists has been the real reason behind the American North's decision to declare war against the South (the slaves were just a strawman argument to appeal to the masses emotions). Keep the financial fiasco show running a little bit longer, plunder and rob the well-managing ones and give the loot to those mismanaging their countries and economies. Punish those who do well by their own power and skill by plundeirng them and have the loot be consummed by those not doing well. And before anything else - SAVE THE BANKS that are unfit to live!

Schultz now wants the United States of Europe until 2025. Does this threat justify violence in self defence? I think yes. I would even say it is a moral imperative, if they do not voluntarily stop. An they will not voluntarily stop, these formidable planners and masterminds, these great know-it-alls and social engineer experts, these professional parasites and antisocial narcissists, the bosses or organised crime and emperors by the self-proclaimed grace of their own.

I have reached a point in my life where I would not move even just the small little finger in defence of this order and state anymore. The times remind me of the times before world war one, when everbvdoy was dreaming and had made his cozy nest in his heap of illusions that the bad will not happen, the known will last forever, and nothing must be feared since the Franz Jospeh is standing guard, watching it all. As an American historian wrote, the Europeans walked into the disaster like sleepwalkers (so his book'S title). And they do it again right now. Not necessarily a world war, but a disaster nevertheless.

If so many people do not care for the world burning, then let it burn.

Stupidity may be consumed that way, at least for some years.

Its all about maintaining the illusions with regard to the plebs.

Catfish · 12-07-17, 10:18 AM

What does that ^ have to do with the article?
You like Orban or Kacinsky's methods? Why don't you discuss instead of spreading your hate? You like what happens in Hungary, Poland, Turkey? Nothing to do with money.
Those bigmouths are pulling out lots of money while complaining how unfair it all is.

Throw them out of the EU alright!

Skybird · 12-07-17, 10:21 AM

Black or White. - Catfish.

Shades and Colours. - Skybird.

Catfish · 12-07-17, 10:28 AM

Yes, you obviously did not read the article.
But i am not interested in playing ping pong

Skybird · 12-07-17, 10:31 AM

Black or White. - Catfish.

Shades and Colours. - Skybird.

The worst totalitarianism that I fear is that of a new Sovjet Union within the borders of the EU.

And what my reply above, the linked articles, especially the first one, has to do with your link to Die Zeit, should be obvious.

I do neithe rfavour Hungarian and Pllish giovenrment to the EU, nor do I favour ther EU over Hunbagarey and Poland. Both political establishments piss me to the utmost maximum possible. None of them is less bad than the other.

"In govenrments, the scum raises to the top. " - Hayek.

Catfish · 12-07-17, 10:45 AM

I always like your even handed arguments, never one-sided, and without any prejudice.

Skybird · 12-07-17, 11:35 AM

And I always liked your left-leaningness that claims to be not left-leaning and your oppotunistic willingness to overlook and just ignore the many many instances when the EU - and the Euro club, which in the end they want to make one and the same - brakes its own oh so holy values and ideals when it sees fit to do so while nevertheless preaching them to others when it hopes to gain an advantage from it. Like in that article in Die Zeit.

EU and Europe are not the same, but are antagonistic opposites. A a corrupt club like this has no credibility and reputation whatever to teach others about ideals and principles. I already had to puke when reading just the first opening sentence in Die Zeit. Which has been a moderately left paper when Schmidt was there, and now is a suprisingly open leftist Kampfblatt. It has dropped deeply in my respect in recent years.

ikalugin · 12-07-17, 01:40 PM

Quote:

The worst totalitarianism that I fear is that of a new Sovjet Union within the borders of the EU.

I guess you would prefer 3rd Reich style totalitarianism?

Catfish · 12-07-17, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I guess you would prefer 3rd Reich style totalitarianism?

That would be too far left for him, in his present state.

Skybird · 12-07-17, 08:27 PM

I prefer no totalitarianism at all. And between Nazi socialism and Sowjet socialism, I make no real difference - its a cosmetic difference at best. Hence I reject both and for the same reasons. Anything else would be a contradiction in itself.

Skybird · 12-15-17, 07:43 AM

History report from the future: how the Turkish army captured Germany

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/uups_b...dem_morgenland

Unfortunately only in German

11-21-17, 07:49 AM	#436
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,037 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	How about a swap....May for Merkel? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-07-17, 09:46 AM	#439
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,805 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Good article about the EU, problems but also why it was the preserver of the national states; in german: http://www.zeit.de/2017/49/eu-werte-...reform/seite-1 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-07-17, 10:13 AM	#440
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And my reply to that: http://www.achgut.com/artikel/edis_e...chulden_Ballon You thought it could not get worse after the EMS? Wrong you thought. And Germany's agony, an Ancien Regime not wanting to die: http://www.achgut.com/artikel/merkels_letztes_aufgebot Socialist redistribution schemes and planned economy - that is what the EU is about. That also is what most likely in my opinion and the opinion of a few historians and economists has been the real reason behind the American North's decision to declare war against the South (the slaves were just a strawman argument to appeal to the masses emotions). Keep the financial fiasco show running a little bit longer, plunder and rob the well-managing ones and give the loot to those mismanaging their countries and economies. Punish those who do well by their own power and skill by plundeirng them and have the loot be consummed by those not doing well. And before anything else - SAVE THE BANKS that are unfit to live! Schultz now wants the United States of Europe until 2025. Does this threat justify violence in self defence? I think yes. I would even say it is a moral imperative, if they do not voluntarily stop. An they will not voluntarily stop, these formidable planners and masterminds, these great know-it-alls and social engineer experts, these professional parasites and antisocial narcissists, the bosses or organised crime and emperors by the self-proclaimed grace of their own. I have reached a point in my life where I would not move even just the small little finger in defence of this order and state anymore. The times remind me of the times before world war one, when everbvdoy was dreaming and had made his cozy nest in his heap of illusions that the bad will not happen, the known will last forever, and nothing must be feared since the Franz Jospeh is standing guard, watching it all. As an American historian wrote, the Europeans walked into the disaster like sleepwalkers (so his book'S title). And they do it again right now. Not necessarily a world war, but a disaster nevertheless. If so many people do not care for the world burning, then let it burn. Stupidity may be consumed that way, at least for some years. Its all about maintaining the illusions with regard to the plebs. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-17, 10:18 AM	#441
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,805 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	What does that ^ have to do with the article? You like Orban or Kacinsky's methods? Why don't you discuss instead of spreading your hate? You like what happens in Hungary, Poland, Turkey? Nothing to do with money. Those bigmouths are pulling out lots of money while complaining how unfair it all is. Throw them out of the EU alright! __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-07-17, 10:21 AM	#442
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Black or White. - Catfish. Shades and Colours. - Skybird. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-17, 10:28 AM	#443
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,805 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Yes, you obviously did not read the article. But i am not interested in playing ping pong __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-07-17, 10:31 AM	#444
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Black or White. - Catfish. Shades and Colours. - Skybird. The worst totalitarianism that I fear is that of a new Sovjet Union within the borders of the EU. And what my reply above, the linked articles, especially the first one, has to do with your link to Die Zeit, should be obvious. I do neithe rfavour Hungarian and Pllish giovenrment to the EU, nor do I favour ther EU over Hunbagarey and Poland. Both political establishments piss me to the utmost maximum possible. None of them is less bad than the other. "In govenrments, the scum raises to the top. " - Hayek. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-17, 10:45 AM	#445
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,805 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I always like your even handed arguments, never one-sided, and without any prejudice. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-07-17, 11:35 AM	#446
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And I always liked your left-leaningness that claims to be not left-leaning and your oppotunistic willingness to overlook and just ignore the many many instances when the EU - and the Euro club, which in the end they want to make one and the same - brakes its own oh so holy values and ideals when it sees fit to do so while nevertheless preaching them to others when it hopes to gain an advantage from it. Like in that article in Die Zeit. EU and Europe are not the same, but are antagonistic opposites. A a corrupt club like this has no credibility and reputation whatever to teach others about ideals and principles. I already had to puke when reading just the first opening sentence in Die Zeit. Which has been a moderately left paper when Schmidt was there, and now is a suprisingly open leftist Kampfblatt. It has dropped deeply in my respect in recent years. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-17, 08:27 PM	#449
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I prefer no totalitarianism at all. And between Nazi socialism and Sowjet socialism, I make no real difference - its a cosmetic difference at best. Hence I reject both and for the same reasons. Anything else would be a contradiction in itself. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-15-17, 07:43 AM	#450
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	History report from the future: how the Turkish army captured Germany http://www.achgut.com/artikel/uups_b...dem_morgenland Unfortunately only in German __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.