Argentine navy lost contact with sub [UPDATE: SUB FOUND]

Skybird · 11-18-17, 07:04 AM

German-build, say the articles. On the photos, it looks like a 209, or not?

Von Due · 11-18-17, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

German-build, say the articles. On the photos, it looks like a 209, or not?

It's a TR-1700 class.

Skybird · 11-18-17, 08:06 AM

TR-1007? Never heard of that, but that is no wonder

... Is that kind of an export version of one of the 209 variants, like the 209 up to 209-1004, or is it a completlye new design?

Jimbuna · 11-18-17, 08:17 AM

Threads merged.

Von Due · 11-18-17, 09:15 AM

Things are now starting to look less than optimal with reports coming in now that the sub has been detected at 70 m depth, and while it is unconfirmed, words like "loss" is not what one would hope for.

http://maritimebulletin.net/2017/11/...adicting-news/

Jimbuna · 11-18-17, 10:54 AM

70 m depth is well within range of recue if assetts can be deployed quick enough.

Von Due · 11-18-17, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

70 m depth is well within range of recue if assetts can be deployed quick enough.

True, depending on damage.

Etiane · 11-24-17, 01:30 PM

"Ara San Juan": Sad certainty-the Argentine Navy confirms the death of the Uboot crew the worst of all scenarios was confirmed this morning at the meeting of the crew members of the Argentine Navy, which the sad Notice of the death of the 44-member crew of the Ubootes "Ara San Juan" announced.
On the presumed position of the "Ara San Juan", there should have been an explosion immediately after the last radio link ten days ago. This was agreed by sea probes of the International Atomic Test Stop Authority CTBTO and the USA, said a spokesman of the Argentine Navy yesterday in Buenos Aires.
Latest information suggests that an explosion has led to the destruction of the submarine. Experts suggested that the submarine could be too deep and broken or a short circuit of the batteries.
The search for the Uboot is to be continued with international participation until finally clarity about the fate of the "Ara San Juan" reigns.

The "Ara San Juan", built in Germany, disappeared on Wednesday last week on the journey from Ushuaia to the southern tip of Argentina to Mar del Plata. The Uboot had reported a battery damage and announced to return to the base. Then the contact broke off. Source: Marina Argentina The German Navy blog mourns for the Argentine comrades who are thinking of the relatives.

#RIP May the souls of our brethren find their peace

Source
https://www.facebook.com/deutschemar...70613049899338

kraznyi_oktjabr · 11-18-17, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

TR-1007? Never heard of that, but that is no wonder

... Is that kind of an export version of one of the 209 variants, like the 209 up to 209-1004, or is it a completlye new design?

I'm not completely sure but I think TR-1700 is derivative of Type 209 design with somewhat larger dimensions and displacement.

Vessel involved in this incident recently went through major overhaul which included rebuilding of diesel engines, replacement of batteries, replacement of periscopes etc.

gambla · 11-19-17, 04:04 AM

There's hope that a phone company received attempted calls to marine bases via sat phone, but still unconfirmed. They're trying to determine the exact location of the calls.

source (german):
http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Militaer...e20140245.html

Bubblehead Nuke · 11-19-17, 12:07 PM

3 days without contact on a modern warship?

Even a country like Argentina has access to modern communications gear and ANY warship is going to have multiple ways to 'call home' let alone contact SOMEONE who can relay a message.

How do they KNOW that a 4 second message was from them? It could have been atmospheric noise.

They are grasping at straws in an attempt to save face.

This is not a rescue, it is a recovery operation now.

fireftr18 · 11-19-17, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead Nuke

3 days without contact on a modern warship?

Even a country like Argentina has access to modern communications gear and ANY warship is going to have multiple ways to 'call home' let alone contact SOMEONE who can relay a message.

How do they KNOW that a 4 second message was from them? It could have been atmospheric noise.

They are grasping at straws in an attempt to save face.

This is not a rescue, it is a recovery operation now.

I hate to think it, but you may be right. Let's continue to hope and pray that it is a major communications issue and they are all found safe.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	TR-1007? Never heard of that, but that is no wonder ... Is that kind of an export version of one of the 209 variants, like the 209 up to 209-1004, or is it a completlye new design? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	70 m depth is well within range of recue if assetts can be deployed quick enough. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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gambla Gunner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 97 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	There's hope that a phone company received attempted calls to marine bases via sat phone, but still unconfirmed. They're trying to determine the exact location of the calls. source (german): http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Militaer...e20140245.html __________________ _________________________________________ Mods: The Wolves of Steel 2.0.0 - 2.0.9d Update

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Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Things are now starting to look less than optimal with reports coming in now that the sub has been detected at 70 m depth, and while it is unconfirmed, words like "loss" is not what one would hope for. http://maritimebulletin.net/2017/11/...adicting-news/

11-24-17, 01:30 PM	#8
Etiane Bilge Rat Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	"Ara San Juan": Sad certainty-the Argentine Navy confirms the death of the Uboot crew the worst of all scenarios was confirmed this morning at the meeting of the crew members of the Argentine Navy, which the sad Notice of the death of the 44-member crew of the Ubootes "Ara San Juan" announced. On the presumed position of the "Ara San Juan", there should have been an explosion immediately after the last radio link ten days ago. This was agreed by sea probes of the International Atomic Test Stop Authority CTBTO and the USA, said a spokesman of the Argentine Navy yesterday in Buenos Aires. Latest information suggests that an explosion has led to the destruction of the submarine. Experts suggested that the submarine could be too deep and broken or a short circuit of the batteries. The search for the Uboot is to be continued with international participation until finally clarity about the fate of the "Ara San Juan" reigns. The "Ara San Juan", built in Germany, disappeared on Wednesday last week on the journey from Ushuaia to the southern tip of Argentina to Mar del Plata. The Uboot had reported a battery damage and announced to return to the base. Then the contact broke off. Source: Marina Argentina The German Navy blog mourns for the Argentine comrades who are thinking of the relatives. #RIP May the souls of our brethren find their peace Source https://www.facebook.com/deutschemar...70613049899338

11-19-17, 12:07 PM	#11
Bubblehead Nuke XO Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 435 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	3 days without contact on a modern warship? Even a country like Argentina has access to modern communications gear and ANY warship is going to have multiple ways to 'call home' let alone contact SOMEONE who can relay a message. How do they KNOW that a 4 second message was from them? It could have been atmospheric noise. They are grasping at straws in an attempt to save face. This is not a rescue, it is a recovery operation now.