Where to Draw Line on Free Speech? Wedding Cake Case Vexes Lawyers

Skybird · 11-07-17, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I am of two minds about the bakery issue; while I respect the concept, as the phrase goes, of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", there are times when the exercise of any right ends when it impinges on the rights of others; there is no such thing as an 'absolute right'; however, it is true activists do deliberately go out of their way to create situations in order to feed their own agendas.

In how far does anyone have a right to expect that a baker must be to his service? He just be that only when he expected to be paid in advance.

The baker offers his service for a fee, and he must not even like it, he makes a choice of interest: if he wants people's money, he has to give back somethign that people want: bread and cake. However, to imply that he MUST be of service to others because want him to make a deal with him means that in case of circumstances he even must be of servcie wihtout getting paidk, becasue they have a right, a claim against him . Anyone thinbking baker slove to rise at 0130 in the mornign to start work in the middle of the night, anyone thinks they do so becasue they love to give their bread away for free and be loved for that? No, they want money in return, they need it. They act on the grounds of own interests and own needs. Altruism, a sense of duty, getting loved by foreigner,s has little to do with it. At best that is a bonus. Try to pay your baker with love next time. You'd be surprised that most liekly he will refuse to deal with you. Now what? Lay claim against him?

A busienss man refusing to make a deal, is not under any claim by others that he must make a deal with them. He must always be left the freedom to reject to do so. And then have to accept that hge will not get paid.

The idea that the baker must accept a deal with somebody with who,m he doe snot want to barter, is absurd. Simply absurd. Then just any Peter and Paul can come to me as well and demand that I accept to give them what they want form me, just becasue they want to pay me. You can also claim that the baker has no right to retire when he wants, or move his shop as he wants, or move to another place and raise a business there if that is what he wants. Because you make claim for that he has to make a deal with you, here, now.

Its absurd.